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[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 98 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

People have a hard time conceptualizing really big numbers, and a billion is a really big number. If you put $1B into a fixed rate investment earning 5% annually, you'd be getting $50M a year just from that. Most investments in the market do much better than that. So if she kept just (just!) $10B of what she got, she could easily be getting back well over $500M without doing anything at all. Every year, forever. If she doesn't spend or give away that much, then what she gets back grows.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 102 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The difference between 1 million and 1 billion is about 1 billion.

[–] Akh@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

$1M in $100 bills weighs 10 kilos. $1B in $100 bills weighs 10,000 kilos.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, one thousand times one million is one billion.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Er...hmmm... freedom units plz!!

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Like, 2 elephants, one asteroid, and 16 1998 cloth top convertible Miatas

[–] imahappyguy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I really like something similar; the proportional difference between one million and one billion is the same as one thousand and one million.

[–] Lupus108@sh.itjust.works 45 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

To imagine the huge difference between a billion and a million I always liked the example - a million seconds is roughly 11.7 days, a billion seconds is around 31.7 YEARS.

[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 50 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I prefer the "having 10,000$ is one step on the stairs" image.

Most people will never be on the first step, apart from people in industrialized countries and even then, not everyone.

A millionaire will be about 100 steps up, or about 4 floors. Ah ha! Look at you all small down there from my 4th floor vantage point!

Then a billionaire, in that same analogy, is 100,000 steps up, or 11 miles, somewhere in the fucking stratosphere. Think they can see the difference between you and the millionaire from up there?

Musk, at 680,000,000,000$? He's passed the fucking ISS, 750 miles from the Earth, basically wealth stops having any kind of meaning or human scale.

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

“You need to “earn” 1300 dollar per hour from the moment of birth to almost be a billionaire at 30 years old” - another way to perceive it.

You need to “earn” 317.10 dollar per second ($1.14 million per hour) around the clock to become a trillionaire at 100 years old.

[–] Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, it's early where I am, but 1300*24(hours)*365,25(days/year)*30(years) is not a billion. It's 341.874.000, so barely a third of the way. You need to 'earn' roughly 3803$ per hour to be over a billion in 30 years.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, that's a good one.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

To imagine the huge difference between a billion and a million I always liked the example - a million seconds is roughly 11.7 days, a billion seconds is around 31.7 YEARS.

You are not 30 yet or you would know that there is almost no difference.

[–] Lupus108@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 weeks ago

You are not 30 yet or you would know that there is almost no difference

I'm 35 but this aged me another 20. But not as bad as when I realized that the 70s are closer to my date of birth than the present day is.

[–] kboos1@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What about having $1bil and giving away $1mil is like having $1k and giving away a $1.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Ulvain@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Except that the 1$ i give. I can imagine using it, just like i can imagine using the other 999$.

Billionaires have more money than they can imagine using, it's completely insane

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What if you wanted to buy yourself something pretty, like Microsoft?

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Then they'd have even MORE money they couldn't imagine using, and then they'll buy more companies, IPs and other shit that will give them even more money they couldn't imagine using and then they'd ha-DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM HERE?!

[–] vairse@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Musk literally did that when he bought Twitter though, and is still in n trajectory to being the first trillionaire. At the level of billionaires, it no longer matters what you do, everything generates money and doesn't actually use your assets anymore

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] vairse@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah to be fair, I'm still shocked that a single person could buy a global reaching company on a whim, and wanted to write about it, more than trying to counter anything you were saying.

[–] radiofreebc@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I always say to people "how long is one million seconds?"

The answer is 11.5 days.

Then i say "how long is a billion seconds?"

The answer is 31.7 YEARS.

Nobody needs to be a billionaire.

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

50 million the first year. Each succesive year would be more because of compounding interest.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago

Holy shit, I knew it was a crazy scale, but that flabbergasted me...

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you had $500k, you could buy an average house in my area. If you had $1M, you could buy two. If you had $1B, you could buy 2000 i.e. the entire neighborhood.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Another way to think about this, if she invested the $10B as you said, she could spend $1M every DAY forever and still have about $130 left over each year.

How much would you need to spend in a day to have a very comfy life? I could maybe think of a way to spend 10k, I would struggle to spend 100k in a day. I have no idea how to spend 10x that much EVERY DAY.

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

If I was a billionaire I'd like to think I'd be able to invest a few bn, and divvy up the income among a bunch of people. 150 people every year getting a gift of £1m would do more for society than all the current crop of billionaires combined.

And yes, I know it's not that simple, but a boy can dream.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you put that $50 million in that same fixed rate investment you'd be getting $2.5 million a year. But wait, we want to keep up with inflation! Let's assume 3% inflation year over year. Your leftover 2% to live on is a measly salary of the equivalent of a million dollars a year growing with (historically standard) inflation.

To the ultra wealthy that's not much, and you certainly aren't living like a greater member of the House of Saud or buying everything you could possibly want off of it, but you can live a life of great comfort, travel every year, have a nice home, have plenty of comfort and hobbies, and never work.

And to get back to this, this is an amount of money a billionaire can give someone every year without touching the principal. If the billionaire wants to continue growing with inflation it reduces to them getting 20 million a year which translates to 400 thousand a year both matching 3% inflation. That's still a comfortable life in even very high cost of living cities.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If the billionaire wants to continue growing with inflation it reduces to them getting 20 million a year which translates to 400 thousand a year both matching 3% inflation.

I didn't follow this part

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

5% investment returns keeping up with 3% inflation leaves 2% to do with as you please. 2% of 1 billion is 20 million, and 2% of 20 million is 400 thousand. In this scenario each of those dollar numbers increases by 3% each year to match the expected inflation of normal times

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I must have lost the thread; why are we doing 2% of what a billion dollars' earnings earn?

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

To show how ludicrous an amount of money it is. That sustainable harvesting of it gives an annual amount of money that any reasonable person would consider set for life, and then to show what that looks like, because it's not a "well if you live within your means you can retire young" amount, it's an annual amount that people who make it can budget wisely and retire young on. That vast fortune is every year's return on investment for a billionaire.

To frame it differently, it's to express just how ludicrous the amount of money you gave for the annual return is, because even that number is so big people don't really get it.

[–] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, gotcha. I mean, I got the overall point, I guess I just missed the extension of the theme.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Every year, forever.

every year, forever, and if she is lucky, it might even be slightly more than inflation... 😂