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America is one of the few countries where equal rights and opportunity is a fundamental belief. MAGA could just as easily go to another country if they don't like that.
One of the few? Sounds like you have not been abroad much or suffer from "American exceptionalism".
I thought for many other countries equality wasn't a foundational belief, it was adopted later after the country was formed.
"When the country was formed" is quite vague. Most European countries have constitutions with the same principles:
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/index.html
https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0001840/2023-02-22
https://www.conseil-constitutionnel.fr/sites/default/files/as/root/bank_mm/anglais/constiution_anglais_oct2009.pdf
If your argument is that this wasn't always the case "before the country was formed" this holds for the US as well before it was united or still native American tribes.
Kinda an unfair comparison when most other countries were created in antiquity.
... not really? Most countries were created in modernity or early modernity, and almost all of them have deep ethnic and linguistic roots.
The USA was founded on a few idealistic scraps of paper.
We can argue whether that helps or hurts, but it is unusual in world history.
Seems you're skipping forward to the current founding of the united states, which was ~1776.
The us constitution was modeled after the local Haudenosaunee Confederacy population's government.
They were finally ousted by white (terrorist) settlers during the Sullivan-clinton campaign.
... considering that there was no 'United States' prior to 1776, this seems a pretty natural position to take.
This is a pop history myth.
Since you relied on your 'trust me because I post a lot' position in responding (you are making it up off the cuff);
Here's some additional details about what you allege is a myth:
Library of Congress Blog Post: https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confederacy-and-the-constitution/
Britannica post regarding the Confederacy: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Haudenosaunee-Confederacy
Do click in there if you doubt that there's a plethora of backing information.
Why lie or feign ignorance? Is this to further the point? Doesn't it function without the lies?
The current nation's founding is rooted in several theories of antiquity and the ground they occupy had centuries of similar government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Law_of_Peace#Influence_on_the_United_States_Constitution
Nice citation of Britannica that says absolutely nothing about your claim, by the way.
I don't think you should just trust me about the Sullivan-Clinton atrocities either, unlike your claims.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/the-clinton-sullivan-campaign-of-1779.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_Expedition
https://www.amrevmuseum.org/read-the-revolution/memory-wars
The Clinton-Sullivan Campaign of 1779
Nice comic, bad attitude OP.
I didn't dispute the Sullivan Expedition. Sorry that your reading comprehension is so sub-par.
No, it's just that you made a few claims without any backing sources. Since you asserted a claim against the influence altogether and are a self confessed irritated person, i felt some backings sources would be useful.
As it's easier to spout off a full paste from an article instead of actually reading - here's a part I'd like to call your attention to: https://blogs.loc.gov/law/2023/09/the-haudenosaunee-confederacy-and-the-constitution/
Constitutional convention members such as Benjamin Franklin were very familiar with the Haudenosaunee Confederacy nations and their founding principles. He reviewed Cadwallader’s The history of the five Indian nations depending on the province of New-York in America, and he wrote the article, “Short Hints Towards a Scheme for Uniting the Northern Colonies.” Franklin wrote to his printing partner, James Parker, “It would be a very strange Thing, if [the] Six Nations… should be capable of forming a Scheme for such an Union, and be able to execute it in such a Manner, as that it has subsisted Ages, and appears indissoluble; and yet that a like Union should be impracticable for ten or a Dozen English Colonies, to whom it is more necessary, and must be more advantageous.” He worked on the Albany Plan of Union and members of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy attended the Albany Congress, where members of northern colonies discussed forming a general council for their common defense.
I apologize that you would have had to click that and go offsite to review.
It might be difficult for someone who is actively engaging their irritated side.
One could argue that when they adopted them they became a new country or at least a new form of their country allowing them to lay new foudations.
it was 100% never a belief. it was always propaganda. source? ask any native american. or descendant of a slave. or descendant of an irish immigrant. or mexian person. or poor person.
In the Deceleration of Independence it states that "All men are created equal" and have certain rights like life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. In practice, sure, things are different.
Written while slavery existed, to just mention one example. What it teaches is that the US was build on lies and hypocrisy if nothing else.
neat. propaganda written is still propaganda. heck it took literally more than a century for AMENDMENTS (ie: changes) to be written and agreed upon. Heck it took shutting down a terrorist organization in the process.
stop pretending america was ever a good idea.
The US doesnt even crack the top 20 in the Human Rights Index my dude.
propaganda*
slaves and natives didn't have much opportunities in the colonies.