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In the Deceleration of Independence it states that "All men are created equal" and have certain rights like life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. In practice, sure, things are different.
Written while slavery existed, to just mention one example. What it teaches is that the US was build on lies and hypocrisy if nothing else.
neat. propaganda written is still propaganda. heck it took literally more than a century for AMENDMENTS (ie: changes) to be written and agreed upon. Heck it took shutting down a terrorist organization in the process.
stop pretending america was ever a good idea.
Except the slaves and “negros.” You really are brainwashed by colonist propaganda.
The belief in equality is what ultimately lead to slaves being free, right? The country was founded on the belief that all men are created equal as a goal to achieve, not a statement of how things were.
But you are right, it was hypocrisy to say that and have it not apply to everyone.
no. use of appropriate violence lead to the slaves being free*. you cannot vote away slavery, fascism, and other facets capitalists use to keep hold of their control and profits.
... by a massive state apparatus that was elected by people who believed in abolition.
Jesus Christ. Dogmatic thinking that would make a religious fanatic blush.
sure, elected. that’s a consistent facet - and elections happened on the confederate side too.
the fix was, and has been shown throughout all history, not voting harder. it was violence.
elected except for people like John Brown. but you go ahead and keep thinking voting harder is what “fixed” the confederacy.
The confederacy is the side that started the violence when the South Carolina militia attacked Fort Sumter because Lincoln won the presidency on a platform of stopping the expansion of slavery into newly acquired territoy. If the South hadn't fought to keep slaves, the slaves would have been freed without violence.
ifs and buts..
You may want to go reread some of those declarations of secession by assorted states…. There’s a lot of “it’s our God given right to own humans as property” in them. But also you believe taxation equals theft so who even knows man.
Oh the 13th Amendment does some shifty stuff with incarcerated people to this day, I get that. That being said, maybe read through the articles of secession from the various states, it's enlightnening.
https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
From Georgia "The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization."
South Carolina "A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that “Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free,” and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction. . . ."
Mississippi "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. "
Taxes are a hassle and can frustrate me, especially when used for things I don't agree with, but they also build roads and waterways and allow society to lift each other up. All that aside, the Civil War was fought because the Southern states wanted to continue owning people as property. They plainly stated it in their assorted articles of secession, I'm sorry you feel that knowing that somehow means I wasn't taught US history I guess?
Why did the Union kept slaves, if they truly believed these declarations…
Though I find funny I’m reading taxation rhetorics when Fascists are running the greatest heist of the century. No wonder the Colonists spilled some tea in Boston, they knew the King of England wanted to
Keep on keeping on my dude.
I prefer seizing the means of fascists.
But you do you.
Hey that’s something we can agree on at least
Jesus fucking Christ.
Was also crucified by merchants in the Church.
Is this what libertarians propagandize now, that Abraham Lincoln freed his slaves because he utterly believed his slaves had rights?
Fucking what.
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Wait, you seriously believe the Union really cared about emancipation, after continuing to keep slaves winning the war…
What utterly bizarre, delusional, and ahistorical interpretations.
Says the person pretending Donald Trump was an equal opportunist who never wrote “C” in tenant applications in a land that has been gentrificated again and again.
Maybe your vision of America is “bizarre, delusional, and ahistorical.”
But what do I know, I am not living in fantasy created by colonists.
... what weird shit are you making up about me in your head?