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I hope what we take most from this is that 2026, 2028 is NOT "too early" or "too high stakes" for an ACTUAL progressive campaign. The DNC has used that argument 3x with Trump and lost said elections twice (only winning 2020 because Trump bombed w/ Covid-19). I'm certain we'll hear it again in the next two national elections.
Having a competent populist leftist politician is not a detraction. Quite the opposite. NO to Gruesome Newsom
If AoC wins the primary I'll vote for her.
If Newsom wins the primary I'll vote for him.
I'll be donating to AoC's campaign though.
That's definitely the praxis here.
By any chance do you have a good link that explains all the terrible stuff Gavin has done? I know some of the stuff but my memory is not like it used to be and my wife was asking and I wanted to explain to her that even though he's making some funny Trump jokes he's a piece of crap himself
No good link, but there definitely should be one at some point. That's an idea to consider.
Here are some of Newsom's worst decisions:
Thank you
It would be next to impossible to find a video like the one you're asking for without MAGA pollutants.
I can name off one thing, his partying with incredibly expensive wine and food at the height of the pandemic after the mask mandates. That was the big thing for me that convinced me he's a differently colored snake.
I think the housing and homeless stuff would be worse. However I was not asking for a video. Definitely prefer not to be a video, actually.
Truth be told, I didn't really know much about his homeless policies at the time. I was very much keeping my head buried as far as I could in whatever I could to avoid everything. This was just the piece of information that managed to reach me that made me think he's not too good of a guy.
Because you're right, how he's 'helped' the homeless is absolutely worse.
Fucked over the homeless in Cali, thrown trans people under the bus rhetorically.
He's not wrong that he has signed a lot of legislation protecting trans Californians, but he's been going into right wing talk show spaces and nodding soberly saying yeah, you have some good points about their moral panic about us.
Just to be very clear, the DNC leadership is antagonistic to our (I assumed) shared goals.
The Democrats are obviously what needs to be supported in a 2 party system, so regardless of the DNC antics, the sacrifice for not choosing them will be more severe, and they know that.
I'm saying this all to say, absolutely support a progressive candidate if you can in the primaries, but when it comes election time, fall in line.
Also, there is a big problem where Mamdani is supremely clever and fast on his feet, having practiced every comeback a million times in the shower, ready to let them rip on command.
At the federal there is no one with that level of natural charisma or wit.
That's something important to point out.
No.
A candidate campaigns for MY vote.
The Democratic establishment can prove they aren't an obstacle to progress, me blindly voting for them is no longer a grace I automatically extend to a party hellbent on sabotaging progressives even if it means losing to literal fascists.
Sure, and compromise is inherent to democracy. So go vote for who you want in the primaries, and vote against who you don't want in the general.
Absolutely, but I will not keep falling in line for candidates that would rather lose than listen to me and publicly and emphatically support the very reasonable policies I want.
At a certain point my vote is earned, it has to be or else I will be ignored.
I think you are missing the meaning of "compromise". You need to vote for the candidate that will best represent you... And part of the best representation equation is being able to win the election.
No, the Democratic Party is selectively missing the meaning of "compromise" only when it comes to shutting down progressives, they are happy as hell to hand power to conservatives.
I know what compromise looks like and I reward it when I see it.
I rest my case.
These people are seriously delusional.
Like they are literally openly admitting that they acknowledge they're willing to blow their legs off for a chance at offending the rich people at the DNC who will be insulated from all the results.
Its like a teenager who goes out doing dangerous behaviour to be rebellious against their parents.
What democracy?
Any/every democracy?
I meant to imply the USA does not have one.
Last time this primary vs general was paid attention to (internationally at least), it was because Bernie was about to out-primary Hillary and then the Democrats figuratively put their thumb on the scale and gave it to Hillary.
I absolutely understand even a dead rat would be better president than the Pedophile in Chief you have now. But the people of the USA barely have a very indirect path to elect their representatives... this is a democracy like Cheetos are "food"
Okay. I meant to imply that any democracy (practically by definition) is based on compromise, which is why I said that straight up instead of snarkily (and unhelpfully) bashing the USA.
As for the Hillary-Bernie thing... At then end of the primary, Hillary had like 3 million more votes than Bernie did. Notably, Bernie conceeded to Hillary and even campaigned for her, because he knew that she was much better than trump, and democracy is inherently a compromise.
I'm sorry but not recognizing the flavour of democracy the USA has is broken is a problem. It's like telling starving kids of Gaza that broccoli is a nutritious snack... that may be true but the issue is not they are picky eaters, the problem is that there is no food
Here you go: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/why-sanders-new-hampshire-victory-wasn-t-so-huge-n516066
No you aren't, don't lie.
I never claimed that democracy in the US wasn't broken. If you think I did, please point specific statements.
How many votes did Bernie get in the primary, and how many did Hillary get? I can understand being upset about the results of the primary if Bernie had received more votes than Hillary, and then the DNC nominated Hillary anyway, but that didn't happen. He lost the primary, and thus he was not the candidate. He knows that democracy is a compromisea, and he not just voted for, but publicly supported and campaigned for Hillary after he lost the nomination.
It's an expression... I am not sorry, I have nothing to be sorry for, neither do you, we are just debating
You offered a solution based on a working democracy which is not the case here... why do you offer one if you know it won't work? Again, following my analogy.. why would you offer broccoli for the kids in Gaza when there is none?
How many votes did Bernie lost when the Democrats said Hillary would be chosen regardless? From the link you did not read:
Superdelegate have never swayed a primary. Not once. And since the blowback from the 2016 primary, they have changed the rules to ensure that they will never subvert the will of the voters.
The idea that there was some groundwell of support for Bernie that was discouraged from voting at all because the meanie superdelegates had announced who they supported is baseless. Bernie could have faught it out if he got more votes than Hillary. All those governors and former office holders that had those votes had not cast them yet and pledging to support a candidate is not the same as casting your vote at the convention. They might have thought twice about supporting Hillary if she was only getting 48% to Bernie's 52. That would have been an actual thumb on the scale.
We will never know, because the primary voters wanted Hillary, just like the general election voters.
This stupid shit will lose you the ability to vote, and fuck over millions of people not deserving the blunt end of said stupidity.
It's been seen time and time again that democrats losing shifts them right.
Thats what happens.
The DNC knows that all they have to do is play "At least we're not trump" and they're happy enough.
You acting like a petulant child, as if somehow you're really getting back the rich out of touch people is pants on head stupid. It's you that loses the most. Actually no, its the marginalized people who lose the most, yet you sit there, pout, and fuck yourself and your fellow country while having a childish tantrum.
They won't, and you already know this, so you can either be mature and pragmatic by realizing this and voting as best aligns with your interests while trying to change the party over time as this is a 2 party winner takes all/first past the post style system, or you can act like a child, and self harm;throwing a tantrum whilst walking a tight rope.
I refuse to believe real people and not fascists agitators can have opinions this brain dead.
It's literally the political equivalent of throwing a hissy fit about the amount of foam in a latte. Literal Karen voters.
Congratulations, you are why Trump was elected. It's your fucking obligation as a citizen to be informed and engaged in our process. Is the two party system bullshit? Yes. But the way it's set up if you abstain or vote third party that's effectively a vote for a republican, and you are very nearly as responsible as them. You want a more progressive dnc? Register and fucking primary incumbent establishment dems with progressives. Drag the party left or own the fucking responsibility of being a part of the problem.
Congratulations, people like you are why Democrats lose when they try to appeal to what they perceive to be centrist views and betray their base for massive corporations :)
Democrats lose when they fail to turn out their base because their base knows they are full of shit...
Where in the hell have you been for the last thirty years? The Democrats are a centrist party. If anything they're a center right party because of people spouting bullshit like you instead of pulling the party left. If every whiny liberal and leftist actually fucking voted in primaries for progressives we'd have a populist progressive Democrat party. But you'd rather bitch on the internet about your bullshit principles that got trump elected.
Don’t vote to get the best party in. They all suck. Vote to keep the worst party out.
You are enabling fascism.
I wish I could down vote this a thousand times !
Shit, we'd be lucky if they went with someone as marginally craptastic as Newsom. We can't put any candidate in if they have any chance of getting any of our agenda in; they have to be 100% right-friendly or they won't even try.