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One federal employee said in a court filing that they "cannot in good conscience pretend to agree with President Trump’s policies."

Government employees asked a federal judge Wednesday to block the Trump administration from encouraging job applicants to demonstrate their loyalty to the president’s agenda.

In a lawsuit filed earlier this month, a group of federal labor unions argues that the White House’s “merit hiring plan” violates applicants’ First Amendment rights. The plan, put forth by the Office of Personnel Management, includes the following short essay question: 

“How would you help advance the President’s Executive Orders and policy priorities in this role? Identify one or two relevant Executive Orders or policy initiatives that are significant to you, and explain how you would help implement them if hired.”

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

no, you could not. i am not an american and the court in my jurisdiction would laugh you out all the way back to your home.

What?

You think I have to go to your country and sue you there? Collection would have some hoops, but obviously Americans can sue non-Americans. But your courts really wouldn't be involved at all. Unless to cooperate with America.

I don't understand why you're making assumptions and trying to start an argument, when you self admittedly aren't American and completely unaware of how our legal process works.

If you don't know about this, why don't you want to ask questions and learn?

https://legalclarity.org/can-you-sue-someone-from-another-country/

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, you can sue anyone and maybe even win in U.S. courts. But collecting wouldn't just have some hoops for a stupid lawsuit not recognized to have any merit by the country of the defendant - it would be entirely impossible.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But collecting wouldn’t just have some hoops for a stupid lawsuit not recognized to have any merit by the country of the defendant - it would be entirely impossible.

That would be nice. Wouldn't it?

In a fair system you'd be 100% correct, and I'd be happy.

But that's not the world we live in.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not a matter of being fair. You can't forcefully extract funds from an entity outside of your jurisdiction. Countries that have agreements on inter federal law enforcement will never persecute someone in their own borders for another country if the charges or suit would have no merit in their country.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You can’t forcefully extract funds from an entity outside of your jurisdiction.

...

Who said anything about that?

It's a civil judgement and I legitimately can't tell if you typo'd prosecute or think this is persecution.

But if it was a substantial judgement you may see stuff like sanctions that could happen even without the other countries cooperation

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Who's going to sanction who? This thread was talking about lying on a resume. You think a country will impose sanctions on another for something as menial and stupid as that? Countries don't use sanctions unless it's billions of dollars or many lives involved.

[–] syreus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You are misunderstanding what they mean by sanction. In this case it's just a penalty that could threaten you if you were ever within the courts jurisdiction. They don't mean that the US would impose a sanction on your home country.

The courts could rule you in contempt and have a warrant issued in your name. If you ever were inside of the jurisdiction you would then be potentially arrested and held until you could face criminal charges for contempt. Extradition is a thing as well but that really doesn't happen unless it's a major crime both countries recognize.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Sure. They can do whatever they want in their country but that won't have any effect on me if I never set foot there.

[–] syreus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Indeed. A lien might have some abstract affect on you because of the interconnected global financial system but it's all fringe stuff: Visa troubles when applying to visit a third country, events showing up on background checks, etc.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Everytime you make a comment, you add to a growing list of things that need to be explained to you for you to understand....

Like, I'm sorry but this is verbal quicksand, the more I try to help you, the more stuff you need explained.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Does it help with your insecurities to try to project them on others?

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You think I have to go to your country and sue you there? Collection would have some hoops, but obviously Americans can sue non-Americans. But your courts really wouldn’t be involved at all. Unless to cooperate with America.

i see your law knowledge also comes from comics 😂

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

https://legalclarity.org/can-you-sue-someone-from-another-country/

I can try to find something easier to read, but I didn't find any actual comics.

What are you having difficulty with in that link?

The most relevant bit is this:

The U.S. Supreme Court’s decision in International Shoe Co. v. Washington established the “minimum contacts” standard, guiding jurisdiction over foreign defendants.

Venue is influenced by factors such as the location of the parties, the place where the cause of action arose, and contractual agreements specifying a forum. Many international contracts include forum selection clauses, designating a specific jurisdiction for resolving disputes. These clauses are generally upheld by courts unless deemed unreasonable or unjust. The Hague Convention on Choice of Court Agreements provides a framework for recognizing and enforcing such clauses among member states.

You're on a US based social media website, it would not be difficult at all to have a lawsuit based on an exchange here heard in American courts.

You could ignore it, but then you'd almost certainly lose and have to fight collections.

But if I'm not doing a good enough job explaining, you're probably better off reading the full article

[–] Flobaer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're on a US based social media website

Lemmy.zip is managed by DotZip Ltd, a UK based company. You are not stating facts in your comments.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

But you’re on a lemmy.world community right now. And it’s US based, and hosted on US soil, even tho your local instance may not be. But this community is, and this is where your comments are going and where they’re being posted.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re on a US based social media website

maybe they did not tell you that, but there is whole rest of the world behind us borders and not everything is "us based".

i am not us citizen on a website that is not hosted on us soil, doing something that is absolutely not illegal in my jurisdiction.

the only international cooperation you would get from justice system in my country would be showing you the middle finger, because "american snowflake did not like something they read on the internet" is not a crime here. go back to comics, or cry to mods, whichever you prefer.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

maybe they did not tell you that, but there is whole rest of the world behind us borders and not everything is “us based”.

Correct...

on a website that is not hosted on us soil

But you're on a lemmy.world community right now. And it's US based, and hosted on US soil, even tho your local instance may not be. But this community is, and this is where your comments are going and where they're being posted.

because “american snowflake did not like something they read on the internet” is not a crime here.

Doesn't matter if it's a crime there.

Or even if it's a crime in America.

Because a civili lawsuit isn't criminal...

That link didn't go into the difference of civil lawsuits and criminal prosecution in America, I could find one if you're not able on your own tho

go back to comics, or cry to mods, whichever you prefer.

I'm happy to try and help you understand, if you don't want help understanding, it's as easy as not replying again. Although I'm afraid continued incivil comments will likely keep resulting in your comments being deleted.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

if you don’t want help understanding

you know what? go ahead and sue me, that will show me how right you are 😂

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What would that prove that the SC ruling from that article hasn't already proven?

I've shown you proof that it can happen, along with a very detailed article going into the specifics of how it happens.

But you've went off on a tangent, I started with:

I’d probably lose, but I could still sue you over it.

And now you're arguing I couldn't win?

So you agree with me?

Admittedly it's hard to review the exchange after the majority of your comments have been removed.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What would that prove that the SC ruling from that article hasn’t already proven?

it could help you understand that us supreme court doesn't rule behind us borders. whether it actually would, i have no idea.

Admittedly it’s hard to review the exchange after the majority of your comments have been removed.

i understand you are trying unconventional attack vectors, but 2 out of 5 is not a majority, swetie. i see you are as good in math as you are in law. i am done with this discussion, bye.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

it could help you understand that us supreme court doesn’t rule behind us borders

But...

I've linked you an article multiple times, even quoting the relevant sections on forum determination...

It would all happen in the US courts, again, like the link I provided explained in depth. It doesn't matter where you are, because your commenting on a community hosted in America.

Like you're right that US SC doesn't effect me suing you in your country's legal system, but literally no one is saying that. And I could have sworn we already got on the same page that this would happen in US courts?

i am done with this discussion, bye

And that's fine, all you have to do is stop replying.