default values is one of my pet-peeves after using Python regularly. I wish more languages would let you just do something like def do_thing(arg=default_value) without hoops like builder pattern, function overloading, or whatnot

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I mean, the go-to approach in Lisp, for example, is to have null as the default value (which doubles for false in there). And check for that in the function.

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That sounds awfully similar to JavaScript, which uses undefined as default values.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In Lisp, at least the Emacs Lisp with which I have experience, it's customary to put in nil (Lisp's null) for any omitted arguments in the middle that you can't be arsed to specify — aside from just leaving off arguments at the end. In JS, typing in undefined in every such case would probably be an annoyance, so I'm guessing coders need to check for both undefined and null in these circumstances.

Overall, it's remarkable how Lisp teaches one to be much more relaxed about programming practices than is typical for mainstream languages. Design patterns? Data structures? Shit, just pass in a list or an assoc array, and maybe a function here and there. Also everything is an expression, enjoy your ternary (if) at any point anywhere.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Design patterns? Data structures? Shit, just pass in a list or an assoc array, and maybe a function here and there

After trying to be relaxed about data structures in python, I can say that, IMO, this is more harmful than beneficial. Good types and structures lead to good code designs.

[–] PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 2 points 1 week ago

(Kotlin does support that, with the same fun do_thing(arg: Int = 2) syntax.)