Memes

I think you are also treating every western action as if europe personally designed it

Nope, I'm just referring to the actions that Europe enthusiasticly supported and engaged in.

when in reality europe’s record is more mixed

No more mixed than Russia; but for some reason (chauvanism), you only engage in this kind of equivocation for Europe.

It has responsibility for serious failures

And that's the true hypocrisy of Europeans on display: other countries do bad things, but Europe just is "responsible" for "failures". It's not that Europe deliberately went out and did something bad, they're the good guys, after all! They were just trying to do the right thing and unfortunately failed!

It's disgustingly self serving. And solidly demonstrates my point.

but in most recent cases it was not the main driver.

And in many cases it was. Not that it matters that it "wasn't the main driver" when it still enthusiasticly participated and supported these actions. "Sure I helped operate the gas chambers, but they weren't my idea, I'm just a smol bean!"

In lots of others, like iraq or afghanistan (or the US’s overall middle east approach), european states mostly followed the US out of strategic dependence rather than some unified desire to dominate the world.

You would never in a million years attempt to make these kinds of disgusting excuses for anyone except Europe, and you know it. This is the break is hypocrisy and you know it. Russia also has it's strategic reasons for invading Ukraine, famously, but I'm betting you don't find that compelling. You only find my compelling when it's Europe going "we had to help commit genocide, it was in our interests!"

but it does mean europe isn’t operating on the same logic as russia,

Actually it means they operating on the exact same logic.

which treats territorial expansion as a central political project.

And Europe treats global domination by Western capitalist hegemony as a central political project, which is much worse.

That’a why I separate western crimes from the structure of the political systems behind them.

Yes, I've already noted that you hold a complete double standard. Now you're just coming out and saying it.

Europe has elections that can actually change governments

Bullshit: your elections are tightly run on rails to make sure that noone other than some flavor of liberal capitalist can win. Any time a serious leftist party becomes viable, it gets banned, or worse, all of the information people need to make informed decisions is filtered through media owned by oligarchs, and, must importantly of all; the people Europe fucks over the most don't get to participate in your bullshit elections. If Russians voted to invade Ukraine, would that be ok? They basically did; Putin is extremely popular, and all of the most popular opposition politicians also support the war in Ukraine. This is not at all different to Europes genocidal brutalization of the middle east.

courts that can and sometimes do push back,

Europe has not prosecuted a single one of its genocidal war criminals. Not one; most of them still walk around as prominent national figures. They're putting Tony Fucking Blaire in charge of Gaza.

and protests that occasionally work

In the sense that Europeans will express the against something they were after it has happened, just not in a way where they will compensate the victims or not do it again.

which is exactly why those policies deserve criticism, but

Stop. Stop this gross double standard. You would never in a million years do this for anyone other than Europe

but it still gives european citizens real levers to pressure their own governments.

Oh ok. That's much worse. That means that European citizens in general are responsible for the modern Holocaust they support. That makes Europe much worse than Russia.

Oh, but it makes you personally feel empowered, and you only give a shit any your personal interests, as I pointed out earlier.

Russia superglues those levers in place.

As opposed to Europe, where those levers are consistently fixed in the same place as Russia, but allegedly the citizens could move them if they chose to, but they don't. Which, again, is much worse.

Opposition is criminalised

Like every viable leftist party in European history.

media is destroyed

As opposed to simply giving oligarchs direct control of it, like Europe does.

and elections are for show.

Yeah, real elections are when you can choose between two ghoulish capitalists with the same genocidal foreign policy. And the people you exterminate aren't allowed to participate at all.

That is not a small difference

Correct, it's not a small difference: it's no difference at all.

but it still gives european citizens real levers to pressure their own governments.

I'm sure that means so much to the people of Iraq and Palestine. The people of the imperial core choose to exterminate them. This is just straight up white supremacy: genocidal violence isn't as bad if white people get to vote to commit it.

So for me it is not about excusing the west or pretending europe is ‘moral’.

Yes it is: you've demonstrated a whole sale double standard in the standard you apply so that you can excuse the West. A double standard of, essentially, "it benefits me personally, so it's brutalization of foreigners is not as bad"

It is simply that western hypocrisy does not magically turn russia’s invasion into something justified or admirable.

Literally no one ever said it did, as I already fucking told you

I can condemn Iraq, Libya, Gaza and still condemn a war aimed at erasing a neighbour.

Would you advocate for Russia retaliating against Europe for it's genocidal actions in Ha a, just as you advocate for Europe retaliating against Russia for its invasion of Ukraine? No, of course you wouldn't: you reserve that status of moral world police for Europe, because you have a double standard and do not actually condemn Iraq, Libya, and Gaza in the same way you condemn Russia. Even though what Europe is supporting in Palestine is even worse than the invasion of Ukraine, you treat it differently. It's just an "oopsie", a failure to live up the superior platonic European mortality you treat as axiomatic.

That is not loyalty to Europe, it is just refusing the idea that one set of atrocities cancels out another.

No, the loyalty to Europe is the gross double standard and the implication that Russian atrocities cancel out Europes worse atrocities.