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Ok but now you’re mixing up socialism and communism, I’ve lived under communism and it was not pleasant. So I’ll never ever like it in practice. And your response
Like come on really? You’re debating me on the FACT that humans are selfish at their core and will always help their own first? I had no idea this was even up for debate
No?
Communism, as the shorthand for the ideology, refers to any worldview with an end-goal of a stateless, moneyless, classless society. Communism, in common usage, often refers to, specifically, Marxist-Leninist interpretations (which are ironically not very Marxist) like the Soviet Union.
However, these Marxist-Leninist interpretations themselves did not claim to have reached communism, the end-goal of a stateless, moneyless, classless society. They claimed to have reached a socialist workers' state, and I can quote any number of official statements from the USSR and PRC to that effect.
They reached nothing of the sort, of course, but when most people are discussing what next step we should take, various forms of socialism are what's being discussed, not the end-goal of communism.
The idea that selfishness is humanity's foremost trait ignores man as a social animal and the immense amount of self-sacrifice - even for strangers - people are capable of even without a firm ideological basis.
People are selfish. People are also selfless. 'Human nature' is not something that can be boiled down to simple platitudes to justify an ideological view.