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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.

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  • IBM's CEO walked through some napkin math on data centers— and said that there's "no way" to turn a profit at current costs.
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  • Krishna was skeptical of that current tech would reach AGI, putting the likelihood between 0-1%.
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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 108 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

IBM has a surprisingly sane approach to LLMs:

  • Small models

  • Economically trained

  • Apache licensed open weights

  • Geared for tool usage/RAG

  • Well documented

  • Legal, licensed training data

  • Open experiment artifacts, including A/B tests

See: https://huggingface.co/ibm-granite

No nebulous promises, no existential hype, no scorching the environment, no underbaked user facing disasters. Just plain locally runnable tools.

It’s so sensible it hurts. This is what all “AI” companies should be doing, albeit with a little more budget, and more modern architectures than dense GQA.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Most corporate-facing businesses have some sense of sanity because they know every purchase of their product is going to be scrutinized to hell by a team of MBA accountants. They've got to actually meet expectations versus consumer business which can be sold (and defended) on marketing And hype alone

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I mean, a lot of internal corporate "AI" systems I've seen are ChatGPT wrappers, and total messes. But they get approval and funding.

Another odd thing is that IBM's hardly 'selling' here. These are basically open source contributions for PR, with the hope that they're used internally or in their other businesses I guess. But it's quite low-key for PR.

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago

They also made IBM Watson which was not a commercial success. They're already familiar with 'overpromise and underdeliver' nature of AI.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

"Never interfere with an enemy while they are making a mistake"

We can quibble about if they are true enemies but these AI companies are certainly not our allies.

I hope to live long enough to see Facebook/Google/Amazon be acquired by an investment firm and sold for parts.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 3 points 1 day ago

I want to see private equity do a Toys'R'Us on em; buy em and leverage them to death.

A fitting end.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

I don't know whether that holds true when they're damaging so many things in the process. If it was only themselves they were hurting, sure...leave them to it.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 3 points 3 days ago

Meh, better they get ordered to become Nationalized, all their IP licensed GNU, a budget allocated for their maintenance, data harvesting stripped, and anyone can submit PRs.

True public infrastructure.

[–] SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Jesus Christ, when even IBM, the father of computing, says "AI is not gonna give you infinite money", you KNOW the technology is doomed. Altho I'm more inclined to believe the AI CEOs will be like "shut up boomer we're gonna be trillionaires and you won't be!!"

Well, good luck with that once the investors realize you're selling snake oil!

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] gothic_lemons@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

That one Community.gif

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 4 points 3 days ago

Fully agreed. The huge front runners will never recoup the cost of their training, especially since the result is just being used to train the more efficient models.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 2 points 3 days ago

In my future utopia, the homeless are living in hollowed-out data centers.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago

AI is a military/political control/fossil energy project. Purpose of spending is purely for dominance ambitions, and government will (over)spend what is needed to use the datacenter time. AI budget/regulation items are already part of military funding bills. Remember, if the US does not bankrupt itself in pretense of supremacism, China wins.

[–] brunchyvirus@fedia.io -4 points 3 days ago

The last "novel" thing IBM did was helping the Nazi's to create one of the most efficient genocides in history. In the last few decades though they just buy existing IP and keep it alive as long as it can make them money