Sylra

joined 1 month ago
[–] Sylra@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

Personally, it happens to me quite frequently that I encounter a niche problem, Google it, and find the solution in an obscure blog from 2007.

However, for more recent content, I've found it increasingly difficult. For example, with older brute-force chess engines, I can easily search online and find abundant documentation, forum posts, and personal experiences. In contrast, for modern chess engines, like those based on neural networks, I've found it significantly harder to locate what I'm looking for through Google, because much of the technical discussion and support takes place on private Discord servers.

Moreover, I often limit my searches to specific blogs or forums, like Fedora forums or my favorite personal blogs, but this approach doesn't work when the information is confined to Discord.

Funnily enough, I'm not blaming AI by any means. Closed walled gardens are a modern problem, stemming from the decline of forums and independent blogs. AI didn't cause it; the issue already existed. In fact, you might argue that closed gardens like Discord are pissing off everyone: AI companies dislike them because they make access to training data more difficult, and members of this community dislike them because they make it harder to find human-written content online through search engines like Google.

[–] Sylra@piefed.social 1 points 3 days ago

It’s not technically that hard to scrape content from the most popular Discord servers. The real issue is that you can’t legally share those findings publicly on the open web because of copyright concerns.

[–] Sylra@piefed.social 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's a problem when we can't find things just by searching online, because all the information is spread across thousands of different Discord servers that Google can't index.

"Just join the server" isn't a real solution either for several reasons:

  1. You don't know which server actually has the info you're looking for.
  2. You might not even know where to find the link to join the right server.
  3. Some servers hit their member limit and won't let new people join.
  4. There's no way to search across multiple servers at once. You have to check them one by one.
  5. Even within a single server, Discord's search function doesn't work very well.
  6. It's also bad for long-term archiving. These servers can't be properly archived by services like the Internet Archive or Wayback Machine. If a server shuts down due to drama, mismanagement, or malicious actions, all the information in it can vanish overnight with no backup.

So telling someone to "just join" doesn't solve the core issues of discoverability, accessibility, or preservation.

 

Discord. Private Facebook groups. Telegram. I could go on and on, but I've noticed that these days, more and more content is not being seen by search engines.

The internet used to be built on public pages anyone could find. Now, so much of the conversation happens behind logins or in apps that Google can't crawl.

That means AI doesn't need to write better than humans to dominate search results. It just needs to be visible where human content isn't.

You see this with Beat Saber.

Most mods and setup guides, like how to mod it on Meta Quest, are shared in Discord servers. Tips come up in Twitch streams or YouTube comments. But none of that shows up on Google.

YouTube transcripts are still hit or miss in search. The subreddit is somewhat active but misses a lot of the real info.

Beat Saber has millions of players and tons of human created content. Yet almost all of it is hidden from search engines.

It is the same with smaller games. I played one where the whole community uses Discord. Patch notes, guides, developer updates, everything happens there. No website. No public forums. If you are not in the server, you are out of luck. Get banned and you lose access to everything.

AI does not need to write better than humans. It just needs to be where the data still is, on the open web. While we move our conversations elsewhere, AI stays visible.

[–] Sylra@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

AI will only automate and accelerate fact-checking, at best. If you have no clue about which sources to use, then a less capable AI is even more clueless.

Of course, if people rely on black-box systems in the cloud, I wish them good luck assuming their AI will remain unbiased on controversial topics.

The only saving grace is that there is no single, well-known, authoritative human source with reliably accurate facts on controversial subjects, so at least we’re "no better than AI" in that regard.

Use your brain, your principles, and your own judgment too, for goodness sake.

[–] Sylra@piefed.social 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly, I do believe you. It feels as though we're living in parallel worlds. Are you logged in by any chance, or do you tend to search for extremely niche content? Do these videos appear in the suggestions on the right side, within the home page's algorithmic feed, or do they come up during regular searches?

If I wanted to get a completely unbiased and genuinely honest review of a popular car brand for example, I find it nearly impossible using only YouTube search. The overwhelming majority of top results come from creators with tens of thousands of views, and they often seem closely aligned with sellers, which raises concerns about conflict of interest.

When I search on YouTube, I typically see around eight videos from high-view creators, followed by a section labeled "Creators I've already watched," or some unrelated content, and that's it.

[–] Sylra@piefed.social -3 points 3 weeks ago

If we have the review and self correcting mechanism of Wikipedia, why do we need another site?

Not every Wikipedia article is detailed; some niche articles may lack information, and people might find editing them daunting. In theory, an LLM could help fill these gaps.

Shouldn’t Musk be spending his time on business ideas that make money?

Is it the wisest use of resources? Maybe not, to be honest. I understand where he's coming from. Encyclopedias are very important tools for humanity. We could argue that, if he really wanted to start an AI-created project, he should have begun with an AI-powered wiki dictionary as an alternative to Wiktionary.

[–] Sylra@piefed.social 6 points 3 weeks ago

When it comes to alternatives to YouTube, the situation isn't great.

The most well-known closed-source option internationally is Rumble. It is not as big as YouTube. It has less content and fewer users.

Beyond that, some of the strongest alternatives are based outside the West. For example, China has platforms like Bilibili and Youku. Russia has services such as Rutube and Okko.

On the open-source side, PeerTube, as you said, and Odyssey stand out as the main options people turn to instead of YouTube.

That said, closed-source platforms, even the better ones, are more like temporary fixes. Over time, they could change in ways that end up feeling just as problematic as YouTube.

[–] Sylra@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
  1. They still need real people to review the content at some point. Even for non-controversial topics, errors can slip through, and it becomes frustrating when no human has taken the time to check it.

  2. I hope people don't start cutting corners. It's important to remember that encyclopedias, including human-created ones like Wikipedia or Encyclopedia Britannica, are tertiary sources. They were never meant to serve as authoritative references on their own. Instead, they're intended as starting points to guide further research. In reality, though, many people rely on them without ever looking at the original sources or taking the effort to verify the information.

 

Alright, so YouTube search has gotten pretty bad lately. If you're trying to find smaller creators, people making cool stuff but not getting millions of views, it's harder than it used to be. Here are a few ways I've found that still work decently.

  • You can use X
    A lot of small YouTubers promote their channels on X (you know, the site formerly known as Twitter). The search function there actually works for now, and you can track down niche channels pretty easily. Downside? Yeah, you're using X. Not ideal. Mastodon can do something similar, and honestly, it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be. The community is smaller, and it takes a little getting used to, sure. The interface isn't as polished, but with the right keywords and a bit of patience, you can absolutely find some great low-view creators. Plus, the vibe there is way more welcoming and less chaotic.

  • Search Google
    Try typing your query into Google and adding "site:youtube.com" at the end. You can also filter by date or use other search tricks. Not every video shows up, but it catches a fair amount. It's a solid workaround, for now.

  • Check Invidious instances
    Some of these alternative YouTube frontends scrape content and might surface smaller channels that the main platform buries. It's not perfect, but worth a quick look.

  • Look in Discord servers
    A bunch of small creators share their videos in Discord communities, especially around specific topics like gaming, tech, or art. Jump into a few relevant servers and keep an eye on the media channels.

  • Browse Twitch streamers
    Many Twitch streamers also post their content on YouTube, either full videos or highlights. Twitch's discovery is still better than YouTube's when it comes to finding new faces, especially in gaming or creative niches. Checking out smaller streamers could lead you to a YouTube channel you'd otherwise never find.

A heads-up for the future
If YouTube keeps going downhill, some of these methods might stop working. The trick with searching Google to find YouTube videos could stop being useful if Google decides to deprioritize smaller channels or change how its indexing works. xAI could go rogue too and ruin their search quality. At that point, algorithmic recommendations might be the only way most people can find small creators.

If it gets that bad, the only real solution might be automated systems: AI bots scraping YouTube from different accounts and IPs, tracking what small channels pop up in recommendations, and building a searchable index from that. Not perfect, but it could help keep discovery alive.

For now, though, the above tips should keep us going.