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On loving / hating America. (lemmy.starlightkel.xyz)

submitted 1 month ago by thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz to c/usa@midwest.social

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I've been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that's BS. Right? Except it's not, and we should respond to it for what it is.

"I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you're fighting and "winning" for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you're right. I hate what you imagine America to be... because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don't use the word "murder" lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America... then you're right! The America you believe in isn't lovable."

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (98 children)

Hmm.... sorry, no. I was no more a part of that situation than any other citizen. And I'm not ashamed in the least. Not. In. The. Least.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (96 children)

Hmm.... sorry, no. I was no more a part of that situation than any other citizen. And I'm not ashamed in the least. Not. In. The. Least.

Other than being part of the army, lmao. Didn't know all of the citizens of the US served in the military, you learn something new every day.

"I'm not ashamed I contributed to and participated in the oppression and domination of most of the world" is not the good reply you think it is. The American military just weeks ago finished helping Israel strike their neighbors to allow them to more easily continue their genocide. Rethink your pride.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (95 children)

I had literally nothing to do with that. I haven't been in the army in almost 30 years. But also, oppression and domination isn't all the army does. Or even mostly. I fixed mine detectors, and mines are a particularly horrific form of warfare, particularly to civilians. And you have the whole corps of engineers. Plenty of jobs in the army are just jobs.

But insofar as I was part of the big stick that enabled speaking softly to succeed, yeah I'm proud of that.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

But insofar as I was part of the big stick that enabled speaking softly to succeed, yeah I'm proud of that.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick" is a reference to Teddy Roosevelt and his military-backed coups, invasions, and threats to control and disrupt Caribbean, Central American, and South American countries and people. Teddy Roosevelt himself was deeply racist and did his best to finalize anti-indigenous American genocide campaigns.

The kind of things you helped with, just not written about correctly in the history books yet.

So, which wars did you assist by "cleaning"?

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