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Especially on an ml instance. I'm waiting forssome bozo to post Engels' "on authority" again.
ML's explicitly are anti-state and believe it to be in charge of managing irreconcilable class differences so it must be destroyed and replaced with something else. This is written explicitly in Lenin's State and Revolution.
Almost, MLs understand that the state is necessary until class is abolished, so what replaces the bourgeois state is a proletarian state that withers with respect to collectivization of production and distribution. Revolution for MLs doesn't get rid of the state overnight, but creates a new state that cannot but wither.
Eh, that isn't really how Lenin describes it, maybe it is expanded on later after the October revolution. The dictatorship of the proletariat is not really a state, it cannot assume the roles of the state or the prerevolutionary state apparatus to be successful. A state specifically exists to manage irreconcilable class contradictions and the dictatorship of the proletariat exists to destroy that. It should be setting up re-callable positions directly involved with running society and quickly render itself unnecessary not to persist as a transitory state which would necessitate reconstituting prerevolutionary class. I am not sure that the lessons of the Paris Commune translate well to modern society of 9 billion people and there are many missing pieces to the withering of the state. For example his writings don't address revolution the enterprise. Personally I think that the Democracy@Work cooperative movement at the enterprise is a prerequisite to a state revolution.
The DotP is absolutely a state according to Lenin, he dedicates a whole chapter in S&R to the economic basis of the withering of the state. The state exists to establish class supremacy, in a proletarian, socialist state the state gradually collectivizes production and erases the basis of class and therefore the state itself.