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That is their entire point. Two party system means that they can take up all space for opposition to Republicans while making their policies bipartisan.
The Democratic party is entirely built to fight any leftward movement, it isn't just that the progressives didn't try. They have been trying for 80 years. It is that the entire party is structured and designed to fight that. That is the actual reason Trump could come from the outside and completely reshape the Republicans, but the Dems can form rank and resist Bernie and the progressives.
The Democrats have shown overwhelmingly and repeatedly that they would rather lose to Republicans than move at all to the left.
Then primary the bad actors and reform the Democrat party.
This is your option. There is no other option than violent revolution and I can assure you from spending my entire life in this country that modern Americans don't have it in them.
If conservatives can morph the Republican party into the traitorous entity it is now, then liberals can reform the Democrat party to move more to the left.
History proves party reformation is possible, and inevitable.
How about you primary the bad actors and reform the Democrat party, and then ask leftists to vote for it.
Yeah mate, that's the problem with the modern Republicans: they're not loyal American Patriots anymore, like they were in the days of George Bush, Ronald Reagan, or Richard Nixon.
Liberals will never move left cause they're pro-capitalism.
It's not for liberals to move the democratic party left, it's for everybody that wants the democratic party to change to do so.
The DNC will never change to the point of siding with the working classes, because their base is in their donors and the ones who hold the means of production, wealthy imperialists.
Their base is whoever votes in the primaries.
It took about 7 years for the Republican party to change from the Bush/Cheney era to full on fascism. The democratic party is not immune to a drastic change (hopefully towards the opposite end of the spectrum), but it won't happen overnight and people that want this change must get involved. Money allows to promote an agenda, helps with organizing a campaign, but ultimately it's the people who vote.
The GOP moved rightward, because that's entirely compatible with what the capitalist class is okay with and even wants at times. The DNC, on the other hand, keeps moving rightward despite their voterbase moving leftward, because their base is that very same capitalist class. That's why politicians lie, it would be very easy to not lie if you were actually basing your support on voters.
I only used that word cause of the person I replied to. I personally don't view the Democrats as capable of moving left, at least not on the major stage. The only way to get a leftist party is to destroy the major parties through violence.
Then explain why the entire planet is capitalist and yet other countries have FAR more left leaning parties.
The Democrat party can be moved left if liberal voters make it happen.
EDIT: Yo downvoters, start a violent revolution or keep your fucking downvotes to yourself. Or, better yet, submit an idea, if you can, for what you think can be done. Because in reality, your options are start a violent revolution or reform the Democrat party. There are no viable 3rd parties in America and none are even trying to be viable. Use your fucking brains instead of your fingers to downvote. You are part of the problem.
EDIT 2: Honestly, my bad guys. I didn't notice I was in .ml. The lack of common sense makes a lot more sense now.
Depends on what you're talking about, but usually it either means they are in the global south, or have otherwise had a longer history of working class organization or proximity to socialist countries. Not by voting.
Lol.
Can you provide examples of countries with viable left leaning parties that didn't get there by voting?
You think working class organization is successful without voting in candidates that champion their cause?
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Oh yea, I salute the troops.
The troops in question:
USSR, PRC, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, Nicaragua, Venezuela, etc. were all won through revolution and working class organization. Even then, my point was clearly about the necessity of organizing. It is through working class organizing that politicians and the capitalist class are threatened into giving concessions, not through passively voting for sloganeers and other charlatans.
Crazy how some people have very strong opinions on politics but no basic understanding of how democracy works
Can you elaborate?
You want change: organize and vote. Lots of comments here that seem to view politics as a show, as if we were powerless against the events that unfold week after week. It's only a show if you don't care enough to participate.
Organizing is what puts actual pressure on the system, and is what won every single major working class victory. Not just wishcasting via voting. It has been through organizing that the Civil Rights Movement passed, that chattel slavery was abolished, and more.
Oh we'll organize alright, but not for any of this vooting shit