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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (27 children)

and has been the single most destructive force to the fabric of Canada in modern history. He’s cutting deeper than any conservative could ever hope to, as is he privatizing and outsourcing profits.

Lol no. Have you actually been following the policy, and what the Conservatives are suggesting instead?

He's definitely moved things to the center (it was a change election, PP would have won otherwise), but on the US file he's doing about as well as anyone could hope for, and hasn't actually cut much - literally just civil servants. All the social programs are fine. Meanwhile PP's life's mission is to kill the CBC.

Most of the carbon tax is still there. There's a new housing program. He just tricked Alberta into raising it's carbon tax. And it goes on.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 days ago (7 children)

"Moved things to the center" is a subjective statement, but everyone can agree he has objectively moved things far to the right of where they had been.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (6 children)

Yes. Trudeau was tickling up against the NDP there, and probably had little problem passing their policies. Carney is a different beast. He's passionate about the environment and wants the government in on homebuilding, but he's also a techbro and seems to want trickledown-type policies regarding the rich.

The thing is, PP is so far off to the right there's still a ton of headroom in between.

[–] ISuperabound@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

“Had little problem passing their policies”? That ridiculous. We had a snap election because he didn’t want to pass their policies…got dragged kicking and screaming into watered down versions…and eventually had his government prematurely removed because he wouldn’t.

Carney is not passionate about the environment. He literally passed a bill that allows the private sector to ignore environmental regulation so they could build a pipeline, and he cancelled most of Trdueau’s environmental policy.

You don’t seem to understand they Carney is occupying the space Pollieve used to occupy, which forced Pierre to have even more extreme policy, and forced the NDP into oblivion because they abandoned their voters and tried to occupy the old Liberal space.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

and eventually had his government prematurely removed because he wouldn’t.

Not to be a jerk about it, but you sound like you're living in a different Canada from me. He was removed because he had become massively unpopular with voters and the Liberal caucus didn't want PP.

I don't personally know Trudeau, but my perception was that he wanted a majority from the snap election, not that he hated dental care.

Carney is not passionate about the environment.

He worked at government and NGO climate-related posts after his time central banking. Reporters that actually talk to him off-camera say he's passionate about the climate.

He literally passed a bill that allows the private sector to ignore environmental regulation so they could build a pipeline,

Conditional on something that will never, ever happen. Danielle Smith thinks she can get BC and coastal First Nations signing up, but she thinks a lot of weird things.

and he cancelled most of Trudeau’s environmental policy.

My impression is that it's mostly still standing. The really publicised and understandable planks like the consumer carbon tax were retreated from, but most of what can't be turned into a slogan, stayed. That being said, I couldn't name every Trudeau environmental policy off the top of my head.

and forced the NDP into oblivion because they abandoned their voters and tried to occupy the old Liberal space.

Again, that sounds like a different country with different polls. The NDP hasn't suffered for being too far right in my time, and if they hypothetically were to, the Green party is right there. They actually lost a lot of seats to the Conservatives last election.

I'm not sure Pierre ever was as deep in the centre as Carney is now, and I doubt it, but in any case the reason he's gone way to the right is because that's the global Conservative zeitgeist, and his base demands it. He paid for it at election time.

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