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Just vote to change things. (lemmy.ml)
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[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Cool song you linked to, but if you think its message is pro-voting, and if you actually think doing so "would probably help get fascism out of the government" then you are painfully naive. It won't do that. It has never worked and it never will, not under capitalism ("liberal democracy") and this fact is baked into it. At best, it's a harmless waste of time. But there is valid argument to be made that the act of voting, useless as it may be to affect positive change let alone oust fascism, is still endorsing the bourgeois dictatorship, still a kind of tacit approval validating the very system that has allowed fascism to slide easily into power.

[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

  1. the lyrics said "you might vote for someone else, and i might wanna change your mind, so vote and don't today" and "vote and know it might NOT make a difference; you might see the contradiction, but they're NOT talking to you". thank frick for making linking stuff easier here.

  2. if voting CAN'T help, then a revolution would be the next method. oh and do you think indirect voting, and a one-party system (or multiple like-minded parties under a coalition like china or the dprk) is better?

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)
  1. And.... you think that is espousing a pro-voting message? k. picard-troll
  2. Yes, revolution is necessary to defeat fascism.
    and 3. (since your 2 contained multiple points) oh, and do you think what we have in the US (and other bourgeois dictatorships) isn't a one-party system? picard Yes, in genuine democracy where the means of production are not wholly owned by capitalists. You really need to learn what the difference between a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and a dictatorship of the proletariat is. China is far from perfect but the voice of the populace is vastly more powerful there and actually does steer the state. Considering the topic here was "voting out fascism" one obvious thing to note is that you won't find China or the DPRK ever led by actual straight up fascists as is the case openly right now in the US.
[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

  1. i think the message for that song is "you can vote, but you may NOT be sure about who you voted"

  2. i assume by "genuine democracy", you mean like-minded political parties in a coalition (or lack thereof). oh and the us is a two-party system that silences most third parties

[–] Dirt_Possum@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago
  1. The message of the song, confirmed by the lyrics you pasted, is the title itself. Vote... or don't (because it doesn't matter).
  2. It has nothing to do with "like-mindedness" it has everything to do with class interest. I thought you said you were a socialist. Do you know literally anything about Marxism? oh and no, the supposed "two" parties in the US both represent the same ruling class, you know, the fuckers that own the means of production under capitalism. You can call it "two" if you want, but you're only displaying your ignorance to the fact that it's just theater and both are two cogs in the same machine working in tandem to further the interests of the same class. Ever hear of the ratchet effect? Good cop/bad cop routine? Insert famous quote here:

"The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them."

  • Julius Nyerere