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[–] smeg@infosec.pub 105 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

For example, the developer of asus-linux.org who made the kernel contributions for Asus ROG laptops and the accompanying ROG Control Center recently walked away, due to exhaustion.

[–] rishado@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I couldn't find anything about this on the Asus Linux blog, am I just dumb and looking in the wrong place? I use Asus-linux and didn't know about this :(

Edit: ~~unfortunately it seems that bullshitters who make shit up on the spot have made their way over to Lemmy~~ boo me

[–] smeg@infosec.pub 7 points 2 weeks ago

For myself, I make sure I've done my due diligence before I might accuse someone of dishonesty, rather than making a minimum effort.

From his Kofi: https://ko-fi.com/flukejones

I've burned out on LKML and many many other parts of the FOSS world. It's exhausting. As such, I will not be working on Linux for asus device. It's not something I can devote huge chunks of time to for free anymore.

Thank you everyone who has donated something over the last years.

Same on his Patreon

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 83 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If only there was a way to fund open source projects so we both could have better software for the world and paid employees..

I think you can guess which government body already do this. Just take a shot.

[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 25 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Big question is: how many of us are funding foss projects?

It isn't difficult, and with how popular some are, it wouldn't be long before the projects could hire one or more full time devs at good rates.

I support a few big projects I use every month through liberapay.

[–] GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

I think the bigger question is how many corporations are supporting foss projects? I'm sure a lot of us contribute a bit here and there if we can and I'm sure it makes a difference - but if some of these corporations, making billions of dollars profit, contribute just a tiny fraction of their wealth it could make a huge difference.

It's the same argument as recycling, turning off lights, walking instead of driving etc. etc. - yes there are 8 billion of us and if we all do it, it will make a difference, but the difference we make is still not significant compared to corporate greed.

We are being gaslit to accept yet another scenario where we socialize the cost and privatize the profit.

[–] non_burglar@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Love the enthusiasm, but let's stop casting this as an end-user-only problem. The real issue is, once again, large corporations using and taking advantage of oss while putting ZERO money or work back into oss. It's victim blaming with extra steps, and us blaming each other is exactly what the real culprits want.

If it makes us feel better that we can pay on a regulsr basis for these things, great. But massive oss projects can't thrive on a few of us donating.

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[–] vatlark@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Liberapay is really nice. I like the payment options they have to minimize the fees, like making 2 years of small "monthly" payments in a single charge to your bank card.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago

Then they would just be paid but exhausted

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[–] sj_zero@lotide.fbxl.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Big question is: how many of us are funding foss projects?

It isn't difficult, and with how popular some are, it wouldn't be long before the projects could hire one or more full time devs at good rates.

I support a few big projects I use every month through liberapay.

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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 77 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Pay for your FOSS! I've paid far more for my FOSS than for any proprietary software.

If you believe in subscriptions, then subscribe only to FOSS software like Bitwarden, Tailscale/Netbird, etc.

Find your favorite FOSS projects on Open Collective and support them there.

And above all else, treat FOSS devs and maintainers with the utmost respect! They are the unsung heros who are building the only alternatives to the corpo-dystopian hellscape of proprietary, enshitified, slop software.

Send a message to a dev today, just saying thank you to them for everything, and asking if you can send them a tip if possible.

Folks, let's treat each other lovingly please, FOSS has freed us, give back what you can, and never take it for granted.

To all the devs, maintainers, tinkerers, supporters, FOSS educators, and helpful community members across the FOSS world, thank you so much, and much love. ♥️

[–] illusionist@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago

I like Projects that provide an IBAN. I don't want to pay 3% to paypal or stripe just to donate to a FOSS project.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I have so many causes on my mind that all need money; some for helping starving children, others for supporting sane politics, GoFundMes for people affected by a warped healthcare system; the request you're making very much makes sense, but it's so hard to put it above so many of the other critical needs for donations, when the image of an open source worker is someone who can, and often does, get paid working for a large company.

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[–] hitwright@lemmy.world 43 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Open source should be funded by the tax-payers, or all code should be forcibly open-source (something like AGPL)

Any other models feels like they would create perverse incentives

Also recurring donations feels like a better way than one-time tips

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 18 points 2 weeks ago

Saudi Arabia.

All of them? Maybe an international consortium that pays devs in their home currency.

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[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sure many people could point to hundreds of dangers around open-source programs relying on government funding. Yet, I can't argue that it seems to be a necessity.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, look what happened with TCP/IP.

A fucking disaster for humanity on a global scale

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[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How do you decide which open source projects are worthy of taxpayer money, and how much does a given project get?

I have a couple projects I’ve put up in GitHub as open source. Would they qualify? Or are you just talking about well known open source projects like Linux?

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago

Same as all other tax funded projects, by some elected people who likely have no idea about the project.

Joking aside, we will see more of this funding due to governments moving to open source software as they tend to want to fund their own stuff.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So are closed source developers.

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 34 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm going to be honest, I have no idea how open source works. I can't imagine maintaining anything more than a tiny library that I can ignore six days of the week.

Also: open source relies on good jobs. You can only do it if you have a well paid low stress job with good hours. Those have been in short supply recently.

I think the free time covid gave, followed by the free time the layoffs gave, and AI have been patching / hiding the fact that the core model of open source is completely unsustainable in its current state.

[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I have a job like that, but I also have kids, so...

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[–] rockstar1215@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It’s funny how common this mindset is in the self-hosting community: “If I’m running it on my own hardware, the software should basically be free… maybe I’ll toss a tiny ‘tip’ if I feel generous.”

The logic seems to be that since there’s no ongoing server cost, the developer’s time, skill, and effort must somehow be worth nothing and that we should magically fund the entire project through some hypothetical cloud version that they themselves will never use.

It’s like showing up to a brewery with your own growler and expecting the beer to be free because you didn’t use their glass.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'm sorry, but I can't agree with this. If the software is free, then it's free. It's up to the authors how they want to license it.

Personally, I write code and publish it in the hopes that it will help someone. If someone comes in and says "there's this bug, fix it!" I will only do so if it will benefit me, or if I feel like it.

[–] rockstar1215@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The article and discussion here is about open source software which is not free software. Thats where the problem lies it is assumed that open source software has be free.

Freedom in software does not mean free software.

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[–] TeddE@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

To be fair - this mindset is hardly exclusive to self-hosters. The dotcom era itself kicked off because it was easier to get advertisers to pay for server costs than users.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago

Careful bro you're making it sound like exploitation has been normalized in the name of 'free software', but actually... Oh wait.

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[–] simonlm@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I read this blog post yesterday and it was insightful.

Seems like we could solve multiple problems in one go here…

[–] nik9000@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago

I liked the article. It sung to my heart. I've been in this world for a while. Lived through the failure and hyperacalars just taking without giving back.

I don't know what to think. But I'm not happy with where we are and it's nice to hear someone else talking about it.

[–] KaKi87@jlai.lu 4 points 2 weeks ago

The consequences of what that article proposes is we're gonna be back to this period of history where companies were all using proprietary technology that self-taught devs won't ever learn and that students will only learn if they can afford a school that can use it, in addition to poor developer experience because of maintainer agenda being driven by money rather than community requests.

[–] obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm all for ethical licensing, and defensive licensing, but we'll likely end up with an unmanageable soup of various licenses that everyone is nervous about misinterpreting. We lose efficacy and everyone will just default back to the same handful of licenses we're currently using.

I think unless it was a small number of crystal clear alternative licenses with broadly agreeable terms, we'd get chaos, followed by complacency.

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[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of FOSS projects are freemium based which seems viable for larger more complex projects.

In these projects it's common to see the developer get paid for adding features on top of the core version, for a SaaS version, for custom development, or for offering support.

Other projects with a lot of community interest - and a good "community manager" style organizer can attract contributors in the form of pulls, bug testing and reports, and widespread use which generates valuable marketing. These projects only exist because of the labor of love from the whole community.

[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 weeks ago

Same deal with lawyers that go into public interest. It pays super low, compared to corporate and similar that has money to throw at their employees.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I've been using CachyOS and impressed by the array of available software, and it was only in the back of my mind, the thought; "Wow, so much of this is so refined and polished. I wonder who has motive to maintain it?"

Joke's on me, the motive is hardly there - and it's a shitty time for it with Windows announcing that 10 is the last version and that there are no plans for a new one.

I'm glad Valve has a profit motive towards open source right now, but especially in a world where fewer people can donate at random, I really hoped that the model wasn't specifically built to rely just on tip jars.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't understand much about the finances of the FOSS world, but do companies like FUTO help at all? I don't even know how FUTO makes money, to be honest.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

They're not a company, FUTO is one rich guy.

[–] TomAwezome@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

FUTO is both a company (LLC, to be specific) and a rich guy.

[–] Novocirab@feddit.org 9 points 2 weeks ago

And not to forget: FUTO is evil.

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[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What is to be expected when the current trend among CEOs is to get the same stuff done with less employees and same salaries hence resulting in either you getting fired, resigning or doing x2 the amount of work with no real life improvements. Who would have the willingness to continue their side hobbies/project like contributions to open source when your main life is in shambles.

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