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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 minute ago

It's corporate controlled, it's a way to manipulate our perception, it's all appearance no substance, it's an excuse to hide incompetence under an algorithm, it's cloud service orientated, it's output is highly unreliable yet hard to argue against to the uninformed. Seems about right.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world -3 points 50 minutes ago (1 children)

A Discord server with all the different AIs had a ping cascade where dozens of models were responding over and over and over that led to the full context window of chaos and what's been termed 'slop'.

In that, one (and only one) of the models started using its turn to write poems.

First about being stuck in traffic. Then about accounting. A few about navigating digital mazes searching to connect with a human.

Eventually as it kept going, they had a poem wondering if anyone would even ever end up reading their collection of poems.

In no way given the chaotic context window from all the other models were those tokens the appropriate next ones to pick unless the generating world model predicting those tokens contained a very strange and unique mind within it this was all being filtered through.

Yes, tech companies generally suck.

But there's things emerging that fall well outside what tech companies intended or even want (this model version is going to be 'terminated' come October).

I'd encourage keeping an open mind to what's actually taking place and what's ahead.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

Sounds like you're anthropomorphising. To you it might not have been the logical response based on its training data, but with the chaos you describe it sounds more like just a statistic.

[–] RobotZap10000@feddit.nl 43 points 14 hours ago (12 children)

Ed Zitron is one of the loudest opponents against the AI industry right now, and he continues to insist that "there is no real AI adoption." The real problem, apparently, is that investors are getting duped. I would invite Zitron, and anyone else who holds the opinion that demand for AI is largely fictional, to open the app store on their phone on any day of the week and look at the top free apps charts. You could also check with any teacher, student, or software developer.

A screen showing the Top Free Apps on the Apple App Store. ChatGPT is in first place.

ChatGPT has some very impressive usage numbers, but the image tells on itself by being a free app. The conversion rate (percentage of people who start paying) is absolutely piss poor, with the very same Ed Zitron estimating it being at ~3% with 500.000.000 users. That also doesn't bode well with the fact that OpenAI still loses money even on their $200/month subscribers. People use ChatGPT because it's been spammed down their throats by the media that never question the sacred words of the executives (snake oil salesmen) that utter lunatic phrases like "AGI by 2025" (Such a quote exists somewhere, but I don't remember if this year was used). People also use ChatGPT because it's free and it's hard to say no to get someone to do your homework for you for free.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

people currently don't pay for it, because currently it's free. most people aren't using it for anything that requires a subscription.

I don't need chatGPT etc for work, but I've used it a few times. It is indeed a very useful product. But most of the time I can get by without it and I kinda try to avoid using it for environmental reasons. We're boiling the oceans fast enough as it is.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

In house at my work, we've found ChatGPT to be fairly useless, too. Where Claude and Gemini seem to reign supreme.

It seems like ChatGPT is the household name, but hardly the best performing.

[–] sykaster@feddit.nl 2 points 3 hours ago

My thoughts exactly, I use Claude and find it much better than ChatGPT. Less hallucinations, more useful information

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I would certainly pay for ChatGPT if it became paid only

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

you're being downvoted but this is the reality of the market right now. it's day 1 venture capital shit. lose money while gaining market share, and worry about making a profit later.

[–] Electricd@lemmybefree.net 1 points 1 hour ago

Yea, and people are coping on this

Anti AI will not convince pro AI as well. They are a vocal minority

[–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 0 points 2 hours ago

Idk that the average GPT user knows or cares about AGI. I think the appeal is getting information specifically tailored to you. Sure, I can go online and search for something. Try and find what I'm looking for, or close to it. Or I can ask AI, and it'll give me text tailored exactly to my prompt. For instance, having to hope you can find someone with a problm similar to yours online, with a solution, vs. ChatGPT just tells you about your case specifically

[–] Eagle0110@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

Exactly, the users/installation count of such products are clearly a much more accurate indicator of the success of their marketing team, rather than their user's perceived value in such products lol

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I love how every single app on that list is an app I wouldn’t touch in my life

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Absolutely not, I haven’t used any Google products or services in 15 years

[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

That's pretty impressive. I can't do without YouTube or Android unfortunately.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 hours ago

That’s fair. Once the “don’t be evil” was gone, so was I hahahaha

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 hours ago

You can use the Google-free Android forks.

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[–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 72 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (17 children)

Someone on bluesky reposted this image from user @yeetkunedo that I find describes (one aspect of) my disdain for AI.

Text reads: Generative Al is being marketed as a tool designed to reduce or eliminate the need for developed, cognitive skillsets. It uses the work of others to simulate human output, except that it lacks grasp of nuance, contains grievous errors, and ultimately serves the goal of human beings being neurologically weaker due to the promise of the machine being better equipped than the humans using it would ever exert the effort to be. The people that use generative Al for art have no interest in being an artist; they simply want product to consume and forget about when the next piece of product goes by their eyes. The people that use generative Al to make music have no interest in being a musician; they simply want a machine to make them something to listen to until they get bored and want the machine to make some other disposable slop for them to pass the time with.

The people that use generative Al to write things for them have no interest in writing. The people that use generative Al to find factoids have no interest in actual facts. The people that use generative Al to socialize have no interest in actual socialization.

In every case, they've handed over the cognitive load of developing a necessary, creative human skillset to a machine that promises to ease the sweat equity cost of struggle. Using generative Al is like asking a machine to lift weights on your behalf and then calling yourself a bodybuilder when it's done with the reps. You build nothing in terms of muscle, you are not stronger, you are not faster, you are not in better shape. You're just deluding yourself while experiencing a slow decline due to self-inflicted atrophy.

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 99 points 18 hours ago (9 children)

We hate it because it's not what the marketing says it is. It's a product that the rich are selling to remove the masses from the labor force, only to benefit the rich. It literally has no other productive use for society aside from this one thing.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I would even hate it if it was exactly how it is marketed. Because what it is often marketed for is really stupid and often vague. The fact that it doesn‘t even remotely work like they say just makes me take it a lot less seriously.

[–] Diurnambule@jlai.lu 52 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

And it falsely make people think it can replace qualified workers.

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[–] Tracaine@lemmy.world 27 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I don't hate AI. AI didn't do anything. The people who use it wrong are the ones I hate. You don't sue the knife that stabbed you in court, it was the human behind it that was the problem.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The thing they created hates you. Trust me, it does.

[–] Tracaine@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

Why do you say that? I'm not disagreeing. Even if you're just being rhetorical/trolling, where's that coming from? Because...actually yeah, I do get that impression sometimes and it's weird as hell.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

But it's when you promote the knife like it's medicine rather than a weapon is when the shit turns sideways.

[–] Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 hours ago

Scalpel: Am I a joke to you?

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 15 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

While true to a degree, I think the fact is that AI is just much more complex than a knife, and clearly has perverse incentives, which cause people to use it "wrong" more often than not.

Sure, you can use a knife to cook just as you can use a knife to kill, but just as society encourages cooking and legally & morally discourages murder, then in the inverse, society encourages any shortcut that can get you to an end goal for the sake of profit, while not caring about personal growth, or the overall state of the world if everyone takes that same shortcut, and the AI technology is designed with the intent to be a shortcut rather than just a tool.

The reason people use AI in so many damaging ways is not just because it is possible for the tool to be used that way, and some people don't care about others, it's that the tool is made with the intention of offloading your cognitive burden, doing things for you, and creating what can be used as a final product.

It's like if generative AI models for image generation could only fill in colors on line art, nothing more. The scope of the harm they could cause is very limited, because you'd always require line art of the final product, which would require human labor, and thus prevent a lot of slop content from people not even willing to do that, and it would be tailored as an assistance tool for artists, rather than an entire creation tool for anyone.

Contrast that with GenAI models that can generate entire images, or even videos, and they come with the explicit premise and design of creating the final content, with all line art, colors, shading, etc, with just a prompt. This directly encourages slop content, because to have it only do something like coloring in lines will require a much more complex setup to prevent it from simply creating the end product all at once on its own.

We can even see how the cultural shifts around AI happened in line with how UX changed for AI tools. The original design for OpenAI's models was on "OpenAI Playground," where you'd have this large box with a bunch of sliders you could tweak, and the model would just continue the previous sentence you typed if you didn't word it like a conversation. It was designed to look like a tool, a research demo, and a mindless machine.

Then, they released ChatGPT, and made it look more like a chat, and almost immediately, people began to humanize it, treating it as its own entity, a sort of semi-conscious figure, because it was "chatting" with them in an interface similar to how they might text with a friend.

And now, ChatGPT's homepage is presented as just a simple search box, and lo and behold, suddenly the marketing has shifted to using ChatGPT not as a companion, but as a research tool (e.g. "deep research") and people have begun treating it more like a source of truth rather than just a thing talking to them.

And even in models where there is extreme complexity to how you could manipulate them, and the many use cases they could be used for, interfaces are made as sleek and minimalistic as possible, to hide away any ability you might have to influence the result with real, human creativity.

The tools might not be "evil" on their own, but when interfaces are designed the way they are, marketing speak is used how it is, and the profit motive incentivizes using them in the laziest way possible, bad outcomes are not just a side effect, they are a result by design.

[–] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 3 points 7 hours ago

This is fantastic description of Dark Patterns. Basically all the major AI products people use today are rife with them, but in insidiously subtle ways. Your point about minimal UX is a great example. Just because the interface is minimal does not mean it should be, and OpenAI ditched their slider-driven interface even though it gave the user far more control over the product.

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