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[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

So what is the response? I feel like these clips are great. But if he makes a great point after, isn't it setting a trap where you share this and the response is his rebuttal which could be good or bad

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

His response, and I’m not joking, when all of his arguments against gay marriage were defeated in that debate, was, “well, I still don’t like it.”

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Yea I just watched the whole thing. One of my favorite things I've heard recently is people arguing if Charlie was a good debater or not. One person just said "did he ever once change his mind?" There's one a decade. Charlie was not debating. What pisses me off though is how little material there is for times like this to repost. Sure there's content but everybody on the left checks out and doesn't bother to archive anything worthwhile.

[–] antsu@discuss.tchncs.de 113 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Stop stop, he's already de- oh wait.

[–] dan69@lemmy.world 4 points 46 minutes ago

Sorry is this how he died… I just got out of my rock..

[–] vivalapivo@lemmy.today 62 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

You're doing it wrong. You are supposed to cut and publish only parts where Kirk owns the libs

editing videos like that is the equivalent to winning arguments in the shower

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 hours ago

The extensive attention to curation, editing, and deleting was the whole point of the manufactured reality being pushed.

Charlie Kirk never liked free speech

[–] BreadOven@lemmy.world 47 points 5 hours ago

Glad that fascist is dead haha.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 15 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

This whole thing was already played out on the TV series "The West Wing", and I'm fairly sure that Aaron Sorkin got it from somewhere else.

https://www.tv-quotes.com/shows/the-west-wing/quote_13962.html

Edit: It appears that the original author is Kent Ashcraft:

Source: https://www-users.york.ac.uk/~ss44/joke/laura.htm#author

[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 hours ago
[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 hours ago (4 children)
[–] db2@lemmy.world 56 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm going to stick my neck out and say it was something stupid and ignorant.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 54 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Careful, kirk warned us about sticking our necks out

[–] db2@lemmy.world 45 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

He really gushed on about it

[–] don@lemmy.ca 38 points 5 hours ago

Poured his heart out, he did.

Well, someone did.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago

Fucking hate shit like this.

BURN!

Well, uh, could I see the reply.

NO!

[–] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 hours ago (4 children)

watched the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZPWbpOnZ-8

Kirk actually has a good point in that those lines are from the old testament, which Christians believe doesn't apply, and only believe in the new testament. Assuming Kirk is right that it isn't in the new testament ( the Cambridge speaker doesn't contest it either, for whatever that is worth). From the the student then pivots to talking about a new testament description along the lines of: Man shall not sleep with man, which he says can be interpreted differently than man and man and could be man and prostitute. Kirk contends that the traditions and interpretations were created during the time that the writings were created, and so there is no loss of translation then, and those understandings have been passed down until down consistently. I will say, i've summised this, but it is a lot more of a meandering argument afterwards that is not very interesting to watch.

I feel like the cambridge student shouldn't have even brought up the lines in videos above because it doesn't completely apply to Kirk's religious beliefs. The student studied the bible decently enough to make his point, but it seemed he needed additional context of Kirk's beliefs to make a strong point against Kirk.

[–] lovely_reader@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

There are no mainstream Christian denominations that don't believe that the Old Testament is the word of their God, so I'm not sure how the student could have prepared for that particular nonsense juke

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 29 points 4 hours ago

those understandings have been passed down until down consistently.

[x] Doubt

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 hours ago

So.

Here's an idea.

A cynical take on Christian nationalism pushing for ONLY the things in the bible that are utterly absurd and contrary to modern society.

Like, making an actual push for ONLY the shit that no one would could possibly take seriously.

I'm no bible scholar but I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff in the New Testament that we could cherry pick as well.

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Sacred tradition? Was Kirk Catholic? And if not why not? Just a grab bag of pick and choose your tradition? Both Protestants and Catholics say that will send you straight to hell. Might as well call yourself a gnostic if you're going that route (though many of them didn't have sex hangups).

[–] ozoned@piefed.social 7 points 5 hours ago

I too would like to see the rebuttal.