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[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

These economic concerns definitely represent corporate interests, meanwhile, the quality of life for the average Canadian is dropping precipitously.

Oh no, we can't get East Indians to work at our grocery store for abusively low wages... That's a problem with the industry created for themselves.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Explain again why the line always has to keep going up an an ever steeper angle?

Maybe the capitalist fiction of infinite growth doesn't need to be public policy.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Well through most of history our (Canada’s) population was growing, so we needed economic growth to keep pace with population growth (a red queen’s race). This growth would be necessary whether we had a capitalist system or not, because it represents all the stuff we need for a modern life (food, housing, clothing, medicine, appliances, transportation, energy, entertainment, etc).

This is still true if you look at the global population and compare standards of living between countries. You can’t really say “we got all we need, now we can stop” when a large percentage of the world’s population is still lacking almost everything on the “modern life stuff list” above (living on food aid, donated clothing and medicine, in ramshackle housing, cooking with solid fuels such as wood or dung).

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The growth for who? We have massive unemployment higher youth unemployment and people can't afford houses. Who is this growth for.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 1 week ago

The corpos and the parasites known as billionaires.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The housing, the school, healthcare, integrity even...it's all at the seams busting, we simply cannot keep this space going or everything will collapse.

Over the past 10 years life in our city has changed so much , I'm moving out of the city, it's too much for me. I like a quiet peaceful life, not this rat race where everybody lies to you to get ahead.

I am pretty left leaning most issues, but this immigration policy has failed all Canadians. Everything costs more, everything is worse quality, and every experience is over packed, so tell me again, how is our economy better when every single person except the ultra elite are worse off than 10 years ago.

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tell me how immigration has anything to do with that?

[–] LostWon@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 week ago

Exactly. Very little relation, when people chart out the timings of even just the larger waves of immigration vs. house prices. I think The Breach was one of the ones who had articles and/or videos about that in the past. Millennial Moron (don't mind the name - he does great analysis) has also shown there's been lower and lower net migration for a while now. (Conservatives are cherry picking numbers from early in the year and pretending numbers stay that way all year on social media, but the long-time trend-- which I've also seen on StatsCan's site myself in the past-- is that the first half of the year always has more people coming in and the second half drops off.) So if the TFW population is dropping, why aren't jobs getting easier to come by? Could it be our young people are struggling with today's unfair barriers and requirements to job applications (and wasting time on phantom job postings)?

It seems LPC and CPC "swap" policies (or probably more accurately, reveal what they really feel on TFW labour) depending on who's in power. Media is also captured by the ownership class that drives policy and wants cheap, easily-exploited labour. Governments especially like getting a boost to tax revenue from TFWs who get little to nothing back in services. Maybe the owner class will eventually stop all this... by replacing workers entirely with AI and/or robots.

If the wealthy aren't adequately taxed to balance the economy so it's not just a relentless upward flow (and thereby make our democracy more responsive to most of the people), we will lose our middle class to a collapse of white collar prestige jobs, combined with rising asset prices from wealthy people buying everything up with the excess piles money they have after buying our politicians and media. Rising poverty is gravy to big investors like them, after all. The more workers have to stay in debt rather than pay off houses/cars/student loans early, the more somebody gets out of their securities investments.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think this is most of the western world right now. I hear similar complaints here in the US, plus Australia, most of Europe.

[–] Subscript5676@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

While I don’t disagree with the comment you replied to, just saying that you’re hearing similar complaints these days just reminds me that a lot of “complaints” are controlled and disseminated strategically to flood the zone and make issues seem more serious than they are. While it’s still a useful way to get a gauge on certain issues, when it comes to politics or politically charged issues, it’s no longer a reliable source for any kind of personal judgement. Just my 2 cents.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So our unemployment especially youth is just made up?

[–] Subscript5676@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

That’s one real tone deaf response. Did you even understand what I wrote?

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Yep and they well all blame immigration. Europe has had a flood of immigrants. Are they the problem I have no idea I don't keep up on their politics. But I know here at least we do have not increased infrastructure to keep up with population growth.