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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, likewise all statists should be made fun of and discredited. Statist politics isn’t simply a “preference,” it’s support for a brutal system of imperialism and domination of the working class.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The state is progressive when it's a working class state, ie socialism. The state is ultimately the means by which one class dominates others, it isn't distinct from class society as its own independent entity. Until classless society can be achieved, it's better for the ruling class to be the working class.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The state is never progressive, it is always authoritarian.

Classless society can never form in a hierarchical system where a state wields supreme power over the people.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

All states are authoritarian, yes, but the question is whose authority does the state represent, and against whom? In capitalism, that class is the bourgeoisie against the proletariat, in socialism that class is the proletariat against the bourgeoisie.

Classless society can only be formed by full collectivization of production across all of society. Breaking society up into petite bourgeois communes with unequal ownership of the whole total resources and production of humanity retains classes, even if it tries to eliminate hierarchy. Hierarchy is not itself a bad thing, tacticians and strategians play different but critical roles.

In a fully collectivized society, without class, there is no section of society needed to be especially oppressed. There is no longer an economic basis for a state, and as such it withers, as it has gradually to the extent it has collectivized production and distribution. It isn't abolished by the stroke of a pen or at the barrel of a gun.