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The large firms and key industries are publicly owned, and the working class is in control of the state while capitalists are suppressed and prevented from expanding into those principal firms and industries. It's been socialist since the CPC successfully overthrew the nationalists.
I’m sorry, the working class is in control of the state? I’d love to hear something to back up such a strong statement.
The communists overthrew the nationalists, and since then public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Democracy was expanded and is comprehensively surveyed from the bottom-up, and capitalists are kept in check by the socialist state.
What exactly do you want to read about? That's a broad question, if you narrow it down a bit I might be able to give you a more focused answer.
What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point.
Public ownership doesn't mean receipt of dividends, like some kind of massive cooperative. It means owned across all of society. The state handles that in socialism, yes, China is socialist.
OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that.
The state is an extension of the ruling class, it isn't an independent entity. Ownership of the state is largely determined by which aspect is principle, private ownership, public ownership, etc. In China, public, collective ownership is principle, and the communists created a socialist state after overthrowing the nationalists.
I'm not seeing your point.
You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that.
Xi is at the head of the CPC, but that isn't in conflict with the working class being in control of the state. The mode of production is the biggest aspect governing which class the state is under the control of. Further, China is comprehensively democratic, moreso than western countries:
Remind me who ran against Xi in his very democratic last election?
The PRC doesn't have the same kind of electoralist faux-democracy that capitalist countries have, it has a comprehensive unitary socialist democracy. China's model is more effective at delivering the results people want, which is why over 90% support the system and the government.
If your narrow definition of democracy only includes presidential elections, then you'd be wrong about what democracy is. Democracy is rule by the people, and it has many forms beyond what liberals insist is the only valid form.
Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person.
Grow up.
China is a socialist market economy, not a socialist economy.
You can't have a stock market and be a socialist economy.
Socialist market economies are a type of socialist economy, particularly in the primary stage. Socialism isn't a unique mode of production determined by purity, but just like the others, by its principle aspect. What might help paint a better picture for you is looking at Cheng Enfu's diagram of the stages of socialism:
China presently is in the primary stage, but is at this point well along to the next stage, the intermediate. These aren't hard lines or jumps, but gradually worked through and towards.
Cope