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On loving / hating America. (lemmy.starlightkel.xyz)

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I've been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that's BS. Right? Except it's not, and we should respond to it for what it is.

"I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you're fighting and "winning" for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you're right. I hate what you imagine America to be... because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don't use the word "murder" lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America... then you're right! The America you believe in isn't lovable."

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (100 children)

You imagine I thought America was wonderful before Trump? No. I love America and will fight to make it better, not because I'm suddenly shocked to discover it's not what I always thought it was, but because I've always fought for it to be better.

What do you think you participated in as a soldier?

Mostly, cleaning things.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (99 children)

Mostly, cleaning things.

This is a weak deflection. You were part of a system whose purpose is to destroy the lives people around the world who might harm US hegemony. Some members of the British navy at the height of their colonial power only cleaned warehouses, they still maintained a system that enslaved and massacred hundreds of millions. You should be ashamed of having been an American soldier, not proud to have served your country.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (98 children)

Hmm.... sorry, no. I was no more a part of that situation than any other citizen. And I'm not ashamed in the least. Not. In. The. Least.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (96 children)

Hmm.... sorry, no. I was no more a part of that situation than any other citizen. And I'm not ashamed in the least. Not. In. The. Least.

Other than being part of the army, lmao. Didn't know all of the citizens of the US served in the military, you learn something new every day.

"I'm not ashamed I contributed to and participated in the oppression and domination of most of the world" is not the good reply you think it is. The American military just weeks ago finished helping Israel strike their neighbors to allow them to more easily continue their genocide. Rethink your pride.

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