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On loving / hating America. (lemmy.starlightkel.xyz)
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I've been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that's BS. Right? Except it's not, and we should respond to it for what it is.

"I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you're fighting and "winning" for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you're right. I hate what you imagine America to be... because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don't use the word "murder" lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America... then you're right! The America you believe in isn't lovable."

That's all.

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Same as every other US citizen. Not ashamed of that either.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Not ashamed of that either.

The constant warfare? You should be.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks for your opinion. It doesn't affect mine.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At the beginning of this conversation, I felt considerable empathy towards you. Every time you reply I feel it less. Maybe try imagining the lives of people who end up under the American boot, people outside your country are also human beings.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I do. That's why I fight against the evils my country inflicts on the world.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

You literally repeatedly stated how proud you are to have been part of the system that inflicted those evils

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"I'm not ashamed of being from a country that constantly starts wars by invading other nations and committing genocide directly or by proxy"

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So the complaint is that I was a soldier. Keep up.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No the complaint is that you were a soldier in a fascist genocidal army and are proud of it, plus not being ashamed of the fact your country is a ravenous genocidal warmongerer.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So you just hate America. Cool, bro.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah I hate white supremacy, capitalism and genocide. You clearly don't.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wrong on all counts.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a paradox to hate white supremacist genocide in favor of American capitalism but somehow still being proud of serving the military that causes it.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not really a big fan of capitalism. I used to think I was but it hasn't really worked out that way.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

If youre not a big fan of capitalism why are you proud of spreading its influence and helping fight for it

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

amerikkka

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

You don't seem to have any capacity for shame