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I've been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that's BS. Right? Except it's not, and we should respond to it for what it is.

"I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you're fighting and "winning" for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you're right. I hate what you imagine America to be... because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don't use the word "murder" lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America... then you're right! The America you believe in isn't lovable."

That's all.

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[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The administration stays the same despite the figureheads changing.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can vote, and I can agitate for change for the better, which is what I said in my very first post. We are betraying the diversity and inclusion that is central to the things that made this nation better.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Voting has no tangible impact on the fact that whatever figurehead you elect will serve the same capitalist system and will continue to enact the same overall agenda of american imperialist domination by any means necessary, including genocide. Your rights as a worker will still be slowly eroded and your country will still fall apart as your ruling class strips it for parts. Wake up. Your nation was never great, never inclusive, always a white supremacist shit hole, every victory of civil rights and minority rights has been against the best efforts of your civil societies. It's over.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's not over until we stop fighting. You have a very defeatist attitude.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No you don't get it. It's over for any delusions about america being a force for good or for the possibility that faith in its institutions can ever lead to positive change for humanity. America has always been a genocidal shit hole. End of.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's a reflection of American global power. Any nation with our power would be harmful to the rest of the world. We shouldn't be a sole superpower. Not should anyone else, ideally.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

If Cuba had your power the world would be a much better place.

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

No it wouldn't. The USSR after 1945 helped countries free themselves from the under the boot of imperialism. China hasn't been at war since 1975, and is helping build up countries. Just because america is imperialist doesn't mean every country would be.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The USSR were not good guys. China suppresses and murders their own citizens. They aren't good guys. I feel like you're not making a good argument here. But I think you'd be hard pressed to find a country that didn't exploit its power at the detriment of other nations, and while I'm less confident including their own citizens, no counter examples come to mind.

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago

You are just a racist piece of shit clearly. Do you know how many of its citizens the US murders every fucking day?

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So you're just an ultra-nationalist

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I love America.
I can vote
It's not over until we stop fighting.
defeatist attitude

wonder-who-thats-for

If you love America, and you think voting will be able to "fix" it, you have always already been defeated. That's what we are trying to tell you. Your idealism of "America" is not real. And you being proud of that ideal in spite of all the very real death, exploitation, destruction in service of capitalism that "America" exists to maintain is you defeating yourself publicly.