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[–] Flaqueman@sh.itjust.works 3 points 19 hours ago (14 children)

Yes, like everywhere. Remember Tienanmen square protests?

[–] bubblybubbles@lemmy.ml 2 points 17 hours ago (12 children)

A well debunked western propaganda? I remember the debunking ya!

[–] Azhad@lemmy.world -5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

So what's your deal? Does russia and china pay you to spew this shit or is just that you like to suck up to dictators?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Most socialists/communists support the PRC, it isn't particularly unusual.

[–] int32@lemmy.dbzer0.com -5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I don't. China is VERY capitalist, it's just that the people profiteering are almost only state officials.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

This is wrong on both counts.

  1. The large firms and key industries are overwhelmingly publicly owned, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Capitalism isn't just "markets," it's when private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. In the PRC, public ownership is principle.

  2. The working class has recieved dramatic increases in real wages year over year consistently for decades. Development and planning of the economy puts the working class first, which is why their conditions habw improved dramatically. The CPC is not a bourgeois party.

For further reading:

  1. Qiao Collective's Introductory Socialism with Chinese Characteristics Study Guide

  2. Socialism with Chinese Characteristics ProleWiki page

  3. Socialist Market Economy ProleWiki Page

  4. People's Republic of China ProleWiki Page

  5. My "Read Theory, Darn It!" Introductory Marxist-Leninist Reading Guide

  6. Has China Turned to Capitalism? Reflections on the Transition from Capitalism to Socialism by Domenico Losurdo

  7. China Has Billionaires by Roderic Day

  8. The Long Game and its Contradictions

[–] pirateKaiser@sh.itjust.works -4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Umm, no, they don't. The PRC is about as far from communism as the US.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yes we do. The PRC is in the developing stage of socialism. The large firms and key industries are publicly owned, the medium firms are heavily controlled and planned, and as they grow they are further integrated into the planned nature of the economy. This is the general path to sublimating property and gradually collectivizing it. The US Empire, on the other hand, has private ownership of the large firms and key industries, and runs on imperialism, ie vast expropriation of wealth from the global south via financial and millitary domination.

I suggest reading Marxist-Leninist theory, if you want somewhere to start, I wrote an introductory reading list targetting those interested in theory but who don't know where to start.

[–] Flaqueman@sh.itjust.works -3 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

We're not talking about socialism. We're talking about authoritarianism. Yes China is socialist-ish and also yes China is authoritarian

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

They said the PRC is as far from communism as the US is. Considering the PRC is a rising socialist country and the US is a dying capitalist empire, it follows that China is much further along in development.

Either way, the PRC is a state where the proletariat is in power. The authority of the state is used to suppress the bourgeoisie and resolve class conflicts in favor of the proletariat. The success of this is seen in high perceptions of democracy in China. The US, on the other hand, wields its authority in favor of the bourgeoisie, showing lower perceptions of democracy among the people.

The only way beyond the concept of "authoritarianism" is the abolition of the state, and that can only be accomplished by eliminating class, and that can only be accomplished via full collectivization of the economy on a global scale. We're a long way off from there, so it's best to have the proletariat in control until then.

[–] int32@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You do realize there are communists other than you, right? Or is that the royal we?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 12 hours ago

I believe they mean themselves and pirateKaiser.

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