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But wouldn't you rather want to work with that person instead of for that person?
Honestly, what does this mean? If you abolish ownership, then working "for" someone changes in meaning.
Once ownership and profit are gone, working "for" someone stops meaning "for their economic interest" and starts meaning something very ambiguous. Don't carry over the emotional meaning from one mode of production to the other.
You might mean working according to someone else's plan. Is that working "for" someone? Maybe you mean working with someone who has the power to bar you from participating in the work or has the power to stop you doing certain actions?
It's not clear what you mean, so it would be helpful if you clarified.
"You might mean working according to someone else's plan."
Yes, this is what I meant by "working for".
"If you abolish ownership, then working "for" someone changes in meaning."
This is correct, if you stretch the meaning of "working for", it can mean anything in the world. However, when we take the context of a workplace (for example a factory that makes glasses), in a capitalist system where you need to sell your labor in order to have a barely adequate life, you do not work for anything else other than your capitalist boss.
You do not work for the people who need glasses.
You do not work for the glory of the working class.
You work for your capitalist boss. This is pretty easy to understand when you actually manage to develop some class consciousness (you'll get there).
It does not matter if your boss is "kind, considerate and willing to work with you", you still work for him.
I'd be much more in favor of working in a factory if that boss was non-existant, and it instead felt like a union or group instead of a factory where I'm told to shut my trap or risk being homeless, or forced to move somewhere else to find work.
Edit: Looks like I made the Libs mad with this one B)
Why the smug condescension?
Pretty sure you're just repeating what was already said to you...