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AES states have their authority under the control of the working class, and wield it against capitalists, imperialists, landlords, and fascists. Capitalist states wield their authority against the working classes, and the imperialist west wields their authority globally against the global south to super-exploit for super profits. It isn't that western countries have better human rights than AES countries, the opposite is true. What the west has is the spoils of imperialism, plundering the global south. AES states don't have that.
A good example of this in action is people's perceptions towards their democracy in China, compared to the US and UK:
I don't disagree that the west got to where it is brutalizing everyone else. That is beside the point when we're talking about the present.
China is a terrible example of democracy and of communism. It has some effective social programmes and top down organization which has been efficient at rapid economic growth and reducing poverty, but there remain severe class divides, suppression of minorities and in some cases outright slavery with the Uighurs. Forget about LGBT rights too, of course. China may yet emerge as the paragon of human civilization the way the world is going now, but it's a few serious reforms away from that, including having actually democratically elected representatives.
Any other examples?
No, it isn't besides the point, the west runs on a system called imperialism by which they export capital and super-exploit the global south for super profits domestically. It's why the US Empire has hundreds of overseas millitary bases, and nobody else comes close. The west never stopped plundering, and the slow death of imperialism is why the west is currently turning to fascism.
Secondly, China is a democratic country where the working class is in control, and extreme poverty has been eliminated. The working class gains immense improvements in their lives year over year. They have strong protections for minority ethnic groups, and aren't enslaving the Uyghurs. They do have elected representatives, even if they don't practice the same system as western systems. LGBTQIA+ rights are regularly improving as well.
You fundamentally do not know what China is actuslly like nor how western countries function.
Apparently nobody does, because I don't see them attracting massive numbers of immigrants. But that could not be for lack of desire - I don't really know. I do know Chinese people and their feelings vary - we have lots of Chinese migrants and multigenerational citizens. You seem to have access to a very patriotic perspective they don't share with you.
Care to share with me a well sources explainer video or something to educate me? I have gotten most of my recent understanding from PolyMatter, and other non-Chinese sources.
I'm judging here on the basis of adherence to the most progressive interpretations of Marx and other philosophers and thinkers, and how it's going for the people in each nation more than anything - social justice and equality, healthcare, welfare, personal freedoms, security, standard of living, etc.
Tell me, where do you live? I'm fortunate enough to be from New Zealand. I certainly wouldn't want to trade my passport for any other country, or wish to have been born there. Maybe Luxembourg then I'd be stacked I guess, and maybe be able to do more to help the rest of the world get their shit together.
You're not going to find a single source or video covering all of China, what in particular are you asking for? The Prolewiki article on the PRC has 132 sources listed and would be a good general intro, and Qiao Collective's Socialism with Chinese Characteristics Study Guide can help you understand China's model.
I live in the US Empire, just like you I live in an imperialist country. Luxemburg only has the money they do through imperialism as well, it has incredibly low taxes and no capital gains tax so billionaires store their money in Luxemburg's assets. If you want to genuinely make the world a better place, then you'd do a far better job by opposing western imperialism and trying to build socialism in your own country.
That's why I vote Green my friend. We're on the same side. I just dont know if the existing stable "socialist" nations you cite really meet the definition or are any closer to the outcomes I'm sure you and I agree are indicators of real success.
I'll read what you've linked though, and share my thoughts. Cheers!
There's a huge amount of effort that goes into manufacturing consent against these countries in western countries. The two links I gave should be good for China, but you can delve much deeper or you can also look into other socialist states.