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[–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 157 points 5 days ago (82 children)

This is exactly the kind of government overreach people like me have been screaming about since, in my case, the 1990s.

"I told you so" just doesn't feel so good when what's happening is nothing less than the entirety of human freedom and liberty is being eroded before our very eyes, and those who disagree with it get labeled as kooks, and accused of hating whatever "oppressed group" of the day is in vogue.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (23 children)

Yes. I had always worried about the copyright industry. That was the big money pushing for censorship. Controlling access and exchange of information is part of their business model and even personal ideology. But I don't know how much this has actually to do with them, and how much is simply the will to power.

What I did not see coming at all was how the left would completely 180 on these issues. That, at least, I blame on the copyright industry.

Right wing people have screeched about "the intolerant left" forever, but I always ignored the obvious hypocrisy. I took it as a debate on what is permissible in polite society. But now Europe is at a point where there is simply a consensus against free speech. Only the most illiberal forces will be able to use these legal weapons to full effect. That will be the extreme right.

[–] HiTekRedNek@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (19 children)

It's just a logical extension of what happens when government becomes the arbitrator of all.

The biggest issue is that so many people see it just as you do, left vs right, instead of liberty vs authoritarianism.

For decades, the libertarian movement, as seen by the left, has been largely associated with the right, simply because of their professed support of the free market, and dislike of gun control

But that same movement has been seen by the right as largely associated with the left, because of their views on things like the drug war, enforced morality, and anti-corporatism.

Has there been a large shift of alt-right into the libertarian movement over the past few years? Yes. Absolutely. And I despise it with a passion.

But there are still quite a lot of us truly anti-authoritarian libertarians out there who despise both left, and right leaning authoritarianism.

But when I bring up issues of authoritarianism, I get "BoTh SiDeS?!" bullshit responses. Because YES, as we can see, BOTH SIDES do their own fair share of this authoritarian bullshit.

They differ in methods, yes. But the bottom line is an encroachment on personal privacy. Plus, property rights are just a logical extension of personal privacy rights.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

A lot of those r's are worse so you have to pretend d's are acceptable types are influence agents, working for both sides ironically as r aligned groups help keep beatable candidates to face them. There are plenty of dupes too but a significant percent are agents of monied interests. Ie mechanized troll divisions.

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