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O no! Not the nazisss (lemmy.ml)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago (18 children)

The Soviets desparately needed finished goods that they either couldn't produce, or couldn't produce in necessary quantities, and the West would not trade them for them.
The US's tariffs were notoriously symbolic. Ford, Coke, Dow Chemical, and many more continued business even into World War II. USian bombers were instructed to avoid USian factories in Nazi Germany.

[–] shoo@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (17 children)

Damn, if only there were suppliers of finished goods that also were strategically aligned on fighting the Nazis. But if you can't blame the USSR for a half measure non-aggression pact with the Nazis then you surely can't blame the Allies for withholding trade to a country not committed to the fight. After all, the Soviets got the supplies they wanted once they were actually in the war.
Nazi economic policy prevented profits from leaving Germany, and the fascist regimes were not subtle in their nationalization threats. Not much of a surprise that private enterprise will toe the line when faced with takeover vs nominal ownership. In terms of actual trade (ie: not Coke factories staying open to make Fanta), US exports to Germany dropped 97% from 1938-1939.

I'm by no means arguing for the Democratic™️ ideological purity of the Allies, but it's pretty clear what the universal political thinking was in the lead up to WWII. Everyone (from Hindenburg up to the USSR) thought they could keep the Nazis at arms length and aimed at their rivals. A few fascist atrocities can be overlooked so long as they happen to the right people.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago (16 children)

The USSR spent a decade trying to form an anti-Nazi alliance, the west wanted the Nazis and communists to kill each other. The west had multiple non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany, and turned down many offers of alliances with the Soviets against the Nazis.
US exports fell, they were of course at war, but the US continued business and was doing a ton of business in the lead-up to the war. Further, post-war, the US protected Nazis and even put them in charge of NATO to make use of their anti-communism, like Adolf Heusinger.

It's pretty clear that the decade leading up to World War II, the Soviets begged and pleaded for an anti-Nazi alliance, but people like Churchill, Ford, etc. loved the Nazis so much that this was impossible until the Nazis did what the Soviets said they would.

[–] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Those survey data are highly misleading. Even if U.S. businesses never withheld or consciously distorted their economic reports, they still cloaked hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Third Reich assets. In many cases, U.S. businesses simply exported their wealth indirectly to the Third Reich by using other dictatorships of the bourgeoisie (e.g. the Spanish State) as intermediaries.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago

Thanks for the information, comrade!

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