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Halfway through he describes this as malicious compliance with the "right to repair" law. Apple and others are making a mockery of the law.

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[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 80 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I guess that's one way to make people give up cars in favor of public transportation.

[–] Dagrothus@reddthat.com 66 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

You must not be american. It is literally not an option here.

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 51 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Please accept my most sincere condolences.

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I guess it's great advice if you live in New York or Disney World. I have a forty minute walk to the nearest bus stop and depending on where I want to go in town and how many transfers it takes, it might take me 2 hours to get somewhere in my mid-side town.

Meanwhile, I can reach anywhere in town in twenty minutes by car, and I can carry $800 of groceries in my trunk. And I don't freeze my ass off in the snow.

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

that's just sad. I have about 4 bus stops within a 5 minute walk. a bus transfer station (with maybe 30 different routes) 10 mins away, and a train station also 10 mins away. I feel bad for americans having to rely on a car :/

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (11 children)

They lock the parking brake behind a paywall on the scanner, so you have to pay a subscription fee. Chrysler has the parking brake service mode on the vehicle for users. VAG, BMW, Nissan, Toyota, GM etc all do it. It just make servicing more expensive for consumers, because the cost all gets passed down.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 36 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Why is the parking brake involved with the computer at all....

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It's an electronic parking brake. Those are common now because a small switch takes up less interior space than a lever for a cable-actuated parking brake, and the computer can disengage the parking brake if it detects that the driver is attempting to drive with it activated. The computer is involved in brake pad replacement to tell the parking brake motor to open to its widest position to accept new pads, and calibrate itself to their thickness.

This requires a special adapter and software subscription rather than a button on the infotainment screen because Hyundai is engaging in rent-seeking and perhaps trying to direct business to its dealers.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

So if your brakes go out and you try to use the parking brake for a slow stop it won't do anything anymore?

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Correct, though the car in question here is electric and will almost certainly use the motors to slow the car to reuse that energy. The motors should be able to stop the car even if the hydraulic brakes fail, and probably more effectively than a mechanical parking brake.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 16 points 1 week ago

Guess I'll add this to the list of reasons I'm keeping my current car until it falls apart.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)
[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TL;DW; he bypasses the whole 2500 dollar software thing by using common sense that the caliper only has two wires in it so you just need to feed a positive and negative power line to it from a low voltage power source and it will extend or retract the electric caliper as needed.

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago

While I agree with you that there’s an easy fix, it wouldn’t cost them anything to make holding the handbrake release switch enter maintenance mode.

Also, wait until they release a face lift with new some arbitrary signal to control it.

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 week ago

Welcome to the future, you will own nothing and be happy about it.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Me and my 11 year old just changed the rear shocks on my car, 18mm socket and box wrench, 45 minutes of time. I'll never buy a vehicle with these types of paywalls.

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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

it's a matter if time until they make Linux for cars.

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago (6 children)

They’re still stuck on Linux for mobile.

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[–] The_Jit@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

More up to date info here: https://hackaday.com/2025/11/15/hyundai-paywalls-brake-pad-changes/ You can do it with just a $300 bidirectional scan tool from Harbor Freight.

And the OOP responding about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ioniq5N/comments/1ojjp6m/comment/nonp97y/

[–] atmorous@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Yeah we definitely need open source vehicles/transportation initiatives for everything: trains, trams, hsr, cars, etc

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[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 weeks ago (35 children)

And that's when I switched a while ago from a modern Bentley to an "ancient" mechanical car from a past long forgotten. Every electrical gadget is local, and it just has android auto (dedicated isolated phone just for the car) with a fake google account for navigation. Everyone thinks we're broke lol, but I'm so fed with this shit. Even a silly backlight went from 5 bucks for a replacement-bulb to 1500 bucks for the whole led-package. Parts alone, add the mechanic and the many hours needed.

Heard that all brands do this shit though. Like even disabling things remotely that are there but you didn't subscribe to. This is bonkers.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Is it possible to retrofit a used "computer" vehicle and remove all digital tech to make it electromechanical again, where the owner has complete control of what they purchased?

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"All" digital tech?

I don't think most people realize that any powertrain new enough to even have fuel injection is going to be a "computer vehicle" in some capacity. How are you with carburetors?

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It'd be easier to simply hack the software and reprogram it to just act normal

Duck their software licenses. I buy a car, I pay for it, it's MY car and I will very much decide how to use it

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Possible? Yes. Practical? No. You can't just cut the harnesses out and suddenly it's a different engine, you'd have to replace what you deleted with something and that something might not exist yet because there's no money in developing it.

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[–] BogusCabbage@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

This isn't a new thing. Almost every car that has an electrical park brake advises you to use software to change change out your rear brake pads, as when you release your Electric Park Brake (EPB), the EPB motor doesn't wind back enough, to give you the space required to install new pads and/or rotors, it only winds back enough to release pressure off the piston pushing the pad, which this has been in production cars since 2001 (some cars have brake maintenance modes which can be activated without software, Mazda first comes to mind with this). This whole Hyundai/Kia deal reminds me of Volkswagen back when they were intoducting proprietary software for vehicle maintenance, which led to a guy getting mad and making his own software that does everything the factory software does for a fraction of the cost and arguably better (Rosstech/VCDS) which I feel will happen soon with Hyundai. But being mad just at just Hyundai for this is the wrong mindsent, almost every car manufacturer does this and for a long time, and needs to stop. Even for dealerships this is horrendous because it uses a always online software that if you live somewhere with bad internet or GPS connection, stops you from even just resetting the service interval, which as usual is explained as being a good thing for "safety reasons" by the manufacturer.

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[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So they chose to go the John Deere way.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They did but they are actually far worse. John Deere is into some DRM bullshit but Kia / Hyundai dealerships have the worst record for recommending things you don't actually need and then over charging you.

[–] TheMilk@lemdro.id 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Fucking Kia Bastards. Took my 23 Forte GT to the dealership because driver side was blowing hot air when ac was on. Thought the blend door broke it barely had 29k miles at the time. Second thought the freon had a leak. Got the warranty. They told me it would only apply if they "found" a leak. After 5 hours. They didnt find a leak had to pay $500 for diagnostics. The mechanic said it was extremely low on freon. Which would resonate with a LEAK. But since they didnt "find" it the warranty didnt apply. Never went back and have been fixing my car myself. Fuck Kia dealerships and mechanics. All they did was recharge the system told me to come back after 500 miles because they added a dye. Told the rep, "Fuck you guys, I'm never coming back."

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I've been wondering about the costs of actually having a car custom built. I obviously have neither the know-how nor the place to build my own car, but are there some garages where you can just order the parts and have others assemble it for you? I know it would be expensive as fuck, but having a road-safe, road-legal car with no on-board computer (except maybe a rear view camera... something that doesn't need connectivity) would be worth it. They might need a vehicle Black Box, but many of those only hold data for the last few seconds only in the event of a collision or accident and do not keep geolocation or personal driving data.

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