I laughed when Milton Friedman thinks free market could prevent climate change through climate dividends and carbon tax. Good luck, boyo, your "greed is good" bullshit is what led us to here.
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Would you prefer that all economic action be dictated and we all work for the government?
That might actually be nice.
Might just merge corporations with government then. Might be an end to billionaires.
Collectivizing all production and distribution to satisfy the needs of everyone, ie socialism, is the answer. Not merging corporate and state power, which is the exact opposite.
It doesn't look like the opposite. It looks the same
Get your eyes checked kiddo
It's the opposite, because in socialism the working classes are in control and production and distribution are collectivized, to satisfy the needs of all. In your fascist example, corporations are entrenched in the state, giving capitalists far more power without collectivizing production and distribution, retaining production for profit.
In both cases you have a monolithic organization running the whole show. What you call it makes little difference. And the people in charge will be of the same type.
No, this is fundamentally wrong, akin to saying NATO and doctors without borders are the same thing. If you erase every distinguishing characteristic and just look at things as "organizations" with no further investigation, you absolutely ruin your viewpoint. I already explained how a wide gulf separates fascism and socialism.
Well all right then
Found a fascist.
And I found a fool
A one day old account defending imperial capitalism. Sure you aren't fascist.
Wouldn't that make me an imperial capitalist?
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What I never understand is, do the billionaires not care about their own children? Or tbh even themselves at this point as it's happening so fast even they will be affected (although they can probably mitigate the effects by moving to one of their 500 houses that's in a safe zone)
although they can probably mitigate the effects by moving to one of their 500 houses that's in a safe zone
That's why they don't care.
Climate change hits the poorest first and hardest (see: hurricanes in the Caribbean and SEA).
Billionaires can fly in, enjoy the sunshine, fly out and not get a drop of water on their skin.
And they'll keep "outrunning" climate change on an individual level, and only feel it when it hurts their net worth*.
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At which point, they'll just re-organize their investments to exploit clean energy subsidies and real estate wherever everyone is fleeing to when the coasts flood.
Capitalism is kinda like a control system, if you aren't willing to do everything possible for profit you get outcompeted and fall. The billionaires at the top are the ones that truly believe they are doing right, and are building apocalypse bunkers for themselves and their immediate families.
do the billionaires not care about their own children?
Ummm...no? I sincerely believe some people are inherently evil. Look at Elon Musk and how he treats his children.
I was watching a documentary on the nature of evil. There is an incarcerated serial killer who acknowledges what he did is evil and wrong, but he doesn't feel empathy. CT scan of his brain showed that the part of the brain associated with empathy is not really active. Having said that, I heard that the longer someone is in power, the more that their brain physiologically changes.
Of course it is more complicated and nurture still plays a role on the person's development, but I think sometimes nature is stronger.
Once down the dark path you begin, forever with it dominate your destiny.
The fact that every billionaire will gleefully kill you, me and everyone to make number go up would, if humans were even a little rational, be enough evidence for their immediate liquidation. Capitalism is providing the best evidence for it's own destruction and yet people just don't see it because they personally aren't starving and freezing right now.
They have bunkers, they have stockpiles of food and medicine, and they have staff to maintain it all. They fully believe they have the means and resources to insulate themselves from all consequences.
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If we dont get rid of capitalism, rich will be the last one to be affected by climate change. Proletariat is as shield for them to face wrath of climate change first
I get this is a meme, but it is trying to talk about something serious. It's worth saying that fatalist arguments are actually beneficial to liberalism and capitalism. Capitalism is not going to kill us all, humans are exceptionally durable. Capitalism intends to kill us all though, whether through the dehumanization it requires to function or its inability to contend with the material limitations of reality. Climate change mitigation is a discussion around minimising the harm this system causes while it dies, and liberals often subscribe to fatalist narratives because they dont truly imagine a world that is not capitalist as one worth living in.
Someone's got their head buried in the sand. The number of critical problems that are gonna come to a head in the next 20 years that could collectively degrade the biosphere beyond supporting a substantial human population is nuts. It's not fatalist to say that billions could die and it's no consolation to the dead and their loved ones that "humans are exceptionally durable".
Wow, two pompous dudes who assume they know everything but don't even bother to read.
Nothing you just talked about was said by me. Doomer shit, as in saying "all life will end" or even "all human life will end," is in fact liberal, settler, bs. It presumes that a world that is not conducive to human life as it exists is not one worth imagining and especially not building. It is a convenient dead end that absolves you of the responsibility to participate in mitigation and reconstruction because, of course, it's too late and even if it isn't it will be and capitalism is powerful enough to apparently sustain a collapse of supply chains. It is foolish.
Nowhere did I say people won't die, I emphasised that they do and actually value the lives of people who will more than some dude who does fucking nothing because I at least recognize that there is a way to mitigate the amount of people who do die. Additionally, I acknowledged that this is not limited to human life. Capitalism will not destroy all life on this planet, this is straight up reality. No, human systems are not equal in power to fucking cosmic events.
Capitalism does try to survive despite the obvious reality that a system dependent on infinite resources cannot exist in a finite material world. It will do so by killing more and more life until it dies, and it will die whether that is from human action itself or the eventuality of a world that refuses to sustain its existence through environmental change and yes, the collapse of crucial ecosystems.
I say humans are durable because we are, do you have any fucking clue how insane this way of life is in the context of life on this planet? Do you have any idea how close humans have come to extinction in the past exactly because of ecological change? You don't, you refuse to because all of that is terribly inconvenient for someone who doesn't want life to change.
Grow up and help. I won't read a response as it's obvious you didn't grant me that level of respect.
Settle down, Beavis
Yep, that's why we need to have revolutionary optimism. Right now, incredible strides are being made by socialist countries like China to combat climate change and push for electrification and sustainability.
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