orioler25

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[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My god, three of you who won't read. I'm just going to block you after this because this is getting silly.

Yes, I said that at least five times throughout this thread. My exact criticism is that liberals subscribe to fatalist narratives because they cannot or will not imagine an alternative to this society. Nowhere anywhere in this thread did I suggest climate change is not destructive.

The amount of you who cannot seperate these ideas is itself proof of what my comment argues. It is literally incomprehensible to you to accept climate change's existence as well as the reality of living in a world that will be changed because of it. Fatalist narratives appropriate scientific evidence in the service of reproducing the social conditions that have facilitated climate change.

A world less livable is one worth living in, but to those of you who would rather die than change, there is no such thing as a less livable world, just the destruction of this one.

Fuck's sake with the liberals on this site. Fucking develop some humility before you assume you know everything.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Wow, two pompous dudes who assume they know everything but don't even bother to read.

Nothing you just talked about was said by me. Doomer shit, as in saying "all life will end" or even "all human life will end," is in fact liberal, settler, bs. It presumes that a world that is not conducive to human life as it exists is not one worth imagining and especially not building. It is a convenient dead end that absolves you of the responsibility to participate in mitigation and reconstruction because, of course, it's too late and even if it isn't it will be and capitalism is powerful enough to apparently sustain a collapse of supply chains. It is foolish.

Nowhere did I say people won't die, I emphasised that they do and actually value the lives of people who will more than some dude who does fucking nothing because I at least recognize that there is a way to mitigate the amount of people who do die. Additionally, I acknowledged that this is not limited to human life. Capitalism will not destroy all life on this planet, this is straight up reality. No, human systems are not equal in power to fucking cosmic events.

Capitalism does try to survive despite the obvious reality that a system dependent on infinite resources cannot exist in a finite material world. It will do so by killing more and more life until it dies, and it will die whether that is from human action itself or the eventuality of a world that refuses to sustain its existence through environmental change and yes, the collapse of crucial ecosystems.

I say humans are durable because we are, do you have any fucking clue how insane this way of life is in the context of life on this planet? Do you have any idea how close humans have come to extinction in the past exactly because of ecological change? You don't, you refuse to because all of that is terribly inconvenient for someone who doesn't want life to change.

Grow up and help. I won't read a response as it's obvious you didn't grant me that level of respect.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (11 children)

Bazzite's been working pretty good for me. Was honestly easier to set up too, and fights me less, and runs smoother, and also doesn't spy on me.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Imagine paying for Netflix.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I actually had to read all of that because I cannoy believe someone is this intentionally misunderstanding. You seriously have to actually read about the shit you talk about because your usable knowledge is obviously very slim despite your confidence.

You are fighting people who are not in this comment thread. Not only did I never say capitalists (no, not "oligarchs" like this is about individuals and not a system) should not be killed, I asked you to actually think about why youre making this incomprehensible assumption in the context of my comments. What do you think I mean when I say capitalism is both fragile and an immediate threat? Slave morality? You're not even talking about anything at that point; it's so contained to your own misunderstanding of what has been said here.

It is incredible to hear someone so dedicated to the settler way of life call me a lib. Blocked.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

My brother in Christ, you people are talking about capitalism as though it were a god. Have none of you seriously thought about like, doing something even when the world is less livable? Do you think everyone will just lay down and die because the world isn't as nice as it is today?

This is not "wishful." This is fucking reality. Right this moment, you are working on a fantasy that is only appealing to settlers who would rather die than live in a world they are not comfortable in.

So fucking tired of liberals here insisting that people should die because they only pretend to want to give up this way of life.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (9 children)

No, Capitalism will not make the Earth uninhabitable. It will kill very many things the longer it is part of our world, but you are subscribing to a liberal fatalist narrative that constructs the future as definitively destroyed because it does not resemble the world we live in. It's doomer shit that is painfully white.

How you got, "we don't need to end capitalism" I have no responsibility for. If I say it isnt infinitely powerful but must end as quickly as possible, what exactly do you think I'm advocating for?

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Joke's clear, it just only makes sense if you're privileged.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Lovely, romanticizing gendered labour. You guys know poor people have always been around, right?

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Crazy that the world isn't bubblewrapped for you and people do shit anyway. Chud.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (22 children)

I get this is a meme, but it is trying to talk about something serious. It's worth saying that fatalist arguments are actually beneficial to liberalism and capitalism. Capitalism is not going to kill us all, humans are exceptionally durable. Capitalism intends to kill us all though, whether through the dehumanization it requires to function or its inability to contend with the material limitations of reality. Climate change mitigation is a discussion around minimising the harm this system causes while it dies, and liberals often subscribe to fatalist narratives because they dont truly imagine a world that is not capitalist as one worth living in.

[–] orioler25@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Very un-Nazi to try to gaslight people and punish emotions yeah. God you people are so transparent

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