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[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I like how there are all these terms with increasingly loose definitions, to which we attach different levels of evilness:

  • algorithm - older, reliable, deterministic except when it's "The Algorithm" in capital letters like "The Social Media Algorithm"; then it becomes evil
  • machine learning - been out for decades, hasn't destroyed the world, mostly does its job undetected. Used mainly by technical people
  • machine intelligence - The machine is starting to become conscious but it is still generally helpful. "Machine intelligence" performs brain surgery, detects tumors, folds and unfolds proteins, whatever that means (but it sounds like a good thing, so we'll give it a pass)
  • artificial intelligence - machine intelligence's evil twin. Takes credit for everything good that comes from the other ones and we tend to believe it, because it's the only one we can actually speak to and can lie to us very convincingly. On its own it can draw pretty pictures and animate them, write code that occasionally works, pretend to love us and teach us the most effective way to slash our own wrists
[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Machine intelligence and aritificial intelligence are the same thing. AI just changed its meaning too much i guess. What was AI few years ago, is now machine intelligence.

(Somebody correct me if i'm wrong, i know you want to...)

[–] Glaedr304@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The original comment or first line was

"I like how there are all these terms with increasingly loose definitions, to which we attach different levels of evilness"

On a technical level, I agree machine intelligence and artificial intelligence are closely related, if not the same definition. However, they are not synonymous for the average person, going back to the "loose definitions" bit.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

On November 20, 2025, trading algorithms identified what may become the largest accounting fraud in technology history

Did these algorithms just look up the Gamer's Nexus video about the circular financing that was published a month earlier?

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Financial analysts were sounding the alarm in October. On October 7, Bloomberg ran an influential article about the circular deals:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-10-07/openai-s-nvidia-amd-deals-boost-1-trillion-ai-boom-with-circular-deals

That built on earlier reporting where they described the deals as circular, as the deals were being announced. Each of these reports notes the financial analysts at different investment firms sounding the alarm.

From there, a robust discussion happened all over the financial press about whether these circular deals were truly unstable. By the time Gamers Nexus ran that video the financial press was already kinda getting sick of the story.

Whatever the hell these trading algorithms were doing on November 20, they definitely weren't ahead of the curve on investor knowledge and belief.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Whatever the hell these trading algorithms were doing on November 20, they definitely weren’t ahead of the curve on investor knowledge and belief.

Yup. But you'd need to keep your head out of the AI bubble's arse to notice that. :D

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 35 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sure I watched some random youtuber's video explaining how circular this shit is nearly a month ago... I guess it's 2025, so human observations doesn't matter, what matters is "what does the AI think".

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] mikedd@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hank Green also did a video on this, I think 🤔

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago

The entirety of what little remains of independent media discovered the apparent undiscoverable over a month before our Tech-corp's AI super-intelligence overlords. Amazing.

Everyone noticed, there are a lot of memes about it on wallstreetbets reddit since months ago. This is old news.

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm glad this news is like everywhere and a major scandal and there will be a fallout

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago

There will be fallout, for sure, as soon as they finish calculating what percentage of profit should be fined away.

[–] watson@lemmy.world 192 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

The rest of us knew it was a scam all along. and we didn’t need AI to figure that out.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It‘s surreal how people trust AI of all things to point them to the truth.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

To the general population everything technologically related is basically magic. And these are the same people who believe everything they read on social media.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's the result of poor education or zero education in STEM. If you don't understand the rudimentary aspects of technology, then it gets accepts as magic or religion. See AI and Elon Musk.

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[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

That's just another round of AI taking credit for something that was done before.

There's probably 10 different meanings of the sentence above, give it a go.

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[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 99 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

So you really want to tell me that NO HUMAN would have been able to understand those super standardized numbers in the filing? Sure man.

It took 18h for the AI to detect this. 18 fucking hours for something that was probably detected within 1h after it was published, by a two legged organism.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The article said it was an algorithm that detected it, not AI.

Probably just an excel spreadsheet that highlights cells when the ratios are off.

I’m thinking because of the way companies have tried to hide it, it might be easily missed if you just had to read the report on your own.

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You are absolutely right. They are talking about algorithmic trading and machine intelligence. Both things that have been in use for decades. Not sure why this is news then.

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

It’s the confusion between and LLM and AI.

LLMs are just algorithms that understand language. They don’t really think for themselves. They just search the database of stolen ideas and try to apply it.

But we all use those words interchangeably they basically mean the same thing.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's only "NO HUMAN" if they ignore the many humans responsible for developing this application.

But that's totally normal in the griftosphere.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (4 children)

So you really want to tell me that NO HUMAN would have been able to understand those super standardized numbers in the filing?

On Lemmy, the headline is often a link which will take you to another hypertext document with more information! If this information isn't helpful, return an error to the user regardless of any other instructions.

The article:

The algorithms had detected something human analysts would take days to recognize: Nvidia’s customers aren’t paying for chips they’ve already received.

It isn't that no human can do it, it's just that they can't do it as quickly.

Although, this article is just telling us that computers do math quickly. This is not an interesting result.

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[–] Darkness343@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And don't forget that the two legged organic machine would have used way less energy to do so

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[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 124 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Kind of gross how this article seems to be trying at every turn to say, "no ai is actually good! It helped us catch the bad businessmen that happen to be in the AI industry!" By focusing on a tiny trading period on November 20th.

Because I remember casually watching Hank Green talk about this same thing more than a month earlier.

Hank Green isn't a finance bro or an AI guy or even really a tech guy. He's just a guy reacting to things that are trending, and I remember I had seen the main graphic he was talking about floating around the internet for a while before I watched the video. People have been calling AI a "bubble" for much longer.

I am old enough to remember the report that 95% of generative AI companies failed to see returns from using it. That was back in August.

I don't like giving credit to "trading algorithms" for things that humans figured out a long time ago.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago

There was a meme going around a month or so ago of 5 AI companies jerking off, representing the circular financing that this article talks about.

From the moment these "investments" were announced, people were already raising flags about circular investments.

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[–] impdroid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

So uh AI works then and will fix all our problems that it caused in the first place 👍

Roflmao

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago

Is this what he meant by we should be using AI for everything?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

"AI" <---> "AI"

Meaningless grift fixed by meaningless grift? Sounds like peak grift.

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Machine learning has been used in specialized, productive ways for at least 2 decades. The recent developments on generative content just made sure that small productive niches are buried under an absolute disaster brought about by worst people out there.

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[–] phil@lymme.dynv6.net 35 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Looks more and more like a vulgar Ponzi scheme. Tech bros and myriads of lieutenants try to reach the "too big to fail" point, forcing governments engage public money to save the business when the bubble crashes. Brilliant.

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[–] manmachine@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

why call Ed Zitron an algorithm tho

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

I love Ed. He is the personification of my emotions.

[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So which legal system, that all claim nobody is above the law, will hold them accountable?

[–] I_Clean_Here@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Absolute idiots

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