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[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 23 hours ago

Not only due (or probably not even because of) Satellite system failure.

In order to fight drones flying over the border from Ukraine, Russia implemented new restrictions to cellular connections. From like last 2 weeks they made so that when a sim card that enters russian border, it will be denied cellular connection for 24 hours. This also include russian sim cards that have been not connected to russian cellular network for over 72 hours.

Almost every modern car today has a sim that communicates with servers all the time. It is just that Porsche also has this feature that can track car remotely and immobilize on demand. It utilizes this type of sim card. Porsche itself has nothing to do with why they are bricked. It is a byproduct of russian attempts at preventing drone attacks which backfires spectacularly.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 23 hours ago

I wish people (especially journalists) would get it through their skulls already:

  • Vehicles don't communicate with satellites.
  • GNSS (like GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, or BeiDou) do not use two way communication.
  • The satellite can therefore not know the position of a GNSS receiver.
  • Instead the satellites send timestamps and their positions, the receiver uses that information to calculate its own position. If the system with the receiver needs to report its position to someone they typically use some form of terrestrial communication, like mobile phone networks.

With that knowledge the comment by /u/imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com makes a lot more sense than whatever the article is trying to imply about satellite failures.

[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

And this is why I will never own a vehicle manufactured after 2006.

I have just too little control with newer vehicles, be it having to auth with the mothership with every repair I do at home just to get it to start up, or even failing to start up in the first place when the mothership could not be contacted.

[–] RalfWausE@blackneon.net 187 points 2 days ago (17 children)

First: It's funny, because it is happening to Russians

Second: It's fucking scary, because it can happen everywhere. Fuck cars that rely on digital services.

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[–] rezad@lemmy.world 116 points 2 days ago (6 children)

first they disabled Russian porsches and I didn't care because I am not a russian owner of a porsche.

then they came for Ukrainian tractors and I didn't care because I am not an Ukrainian owner of a tractor.

then step by step everything was digitally locked and I owned nothing and I was not really happy.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just got a dishwasher and it doesn't even have an app. How can that be?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just got a toilet and it doesn’t even have an app. How can that be?

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just got a car and it is driven by bear. How can this be?

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You may be Russian, or Alaskan.

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[–] rezad@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

are you from the past?

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I'm seeing a lot of sudden unexpected failures in Russia these days, I wonder if they're pulling out the old cold war style subterfuge/sabotage playbooks from the CIA.

[–] garretble@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel like I got my car at the perfect time:

It has Android Auto and CarPlay, and it's a manual so there's no way for it to turn on or off remotely.

Now I just have to make sure it survives until I die.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (10 children)

It's a voluntary anti-theft measure I believe. Prevents it from being started without the owner's consent. Which immobilizers are also supposed to do, but we all know how well those work.

If I owned a Porsche in Russia, I would also get something like that tbh. Luckily I don't live in Russia, nor do I have a Porsche anymore and mine was too old for this kinda shit anyway

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Feature is based on the same tech implementation as these SOS/Service call buttons almost every modern car has. It uses IoT sim.

People who have SOS/Service call button in their cars are also falling under this issue except it would only affect cars that has been outside of russian cellular towers for over 72h.

Also, maybe this is happening due to Porsche not willing to extend IoT sim subscriptions for russian citizens making their sims essentially to be disabled. But I am not sure how car manufacturer IoT sim contracts work. For a typical company/private person IoT sim contract is for 10 years with typically 1gb of data for the same timeframe. If car manufacturer contract is similar to that, this may be the reason why their cars are bricking.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 21 hours ago

Would kinda make sense, around 2015 was the time when these things were starting to get fairly common in high end cars. 2015 was also a facelift year for the second gen Cayenne, so it may well be that they introduced new features. I'm assuming a lot of those cars are Cayennes, because it's the most commonly sold model and the stereotypical cars of New Russians are luxury cars and SUVs, not sports cars. Though of course that is just a stereotype.

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[–] einkorn@feddit.org 42 points 2 days ago (5 children)

[...] and what owners can do next.

Sell their Porsche and buy a car that can't be locked remotely?

[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 33 points 2 days ago (17 children)

In 2025? Is that even a thing?

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There might be some old Ladas around.

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[–] RipLemmDotEE@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can disable the modem on new Toyotas and they run fine. The dealership will bitch and moan but they can be disabled.

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[–] nyan@lemmy.cafe 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I doubt most owners of recent-model luxury-brand cars in Russia are average joes for which this is their only transport. I therefore find my sympathy to be somewhat limited.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago

Maybe Russia started jamming satellite signals and did this to themselves.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) — a security module designed to prevent theft but now shutting down cars unexpectedly.

Also, what a strangely written article.

[–] Typhoon@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago

Remember when they started this with games? It would phone home every time you started it up and make sure your license was valid.

And then companies stopped supporting the game or went out of business. And all of a sudden no one could play those games anymore.

Now they're doing it with cars. How long until that expensive car you bought is no longer supported and you have to upgrade to the new model?

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[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 7 points 2 days ago

Good thing this is a completely optional "feature" that I'd never pay for

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