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[–] BanaramaClamcrotch@lemmy.zip 10 points 10 hours ago

And then theirs the centrist who have a ton of fingers to point and 0 solutions for any of the problems

[–] cassandrafatigue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

You don't understand! The dems would have made everything better if we hadn't stabbed them in the back! Republicans didn't win a single seat on blue-state soil!

STABBED IN THE BACK BY COMMUNISTS!

No we don't want to do anything about the fascism. Thanks.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 hours ago

My favorite part is how dems judiciously avoid discussing the elephant in the room which is that it is their own policies that disenfranchise the public.

[–] BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world -5 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

If the bourgeoisie turn to violence and terror during crises, how is that different from revolutionaries removing the bourgeoisie from power? I used to identify as an American Democrat but I'm super frustrated with their insistence on useless, vapid displays of "resistance".

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 32 minutes ago

The difference is that violence from the bourgeoisie is directed against the vast majority of society to keep their parasitic profits, while revolutionary violence deposes this system and liberates the working classes.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 minutes ago

How was fighting against the Nazis different from being the Nazis?

[–] Juice@midwest.social 2 points 1 hour ago

Hey its a good question, and its one that a lot of reforming liberal democrats like yourself, and myself at one time, struggle to understand. A revolution is necessarily violent and authoritarian, right?

Well, kind of, maybe. I'm a Marxist and Marxists tend to think of revolutions as a change in the fundamental relationship that humans have to production. What gets made, who makes it, and why. A group of revolutionaries who seize control of the government but do nothing to change those fundamental relations are not revolutionary. Its just the same system with new leaders, maybe a new flag or something. The capitalist revolution took a solid 250-300 years with about 250-300 years of development beforehand. Kings and queens were replaced by industrialists, the divine right replaced by the social contract, church and god replaced by corporations and profits. The capitalist revolutions were hella bloody, with the exception of maybe the American one, which was based partly on the institution of slavery.

But what ended the divine right of kings wasnt the guillotine, it was taking their shit and redistributing it to the bourgeoisie. The slaves weren't freed by killing their masters, they freed themselves and went over to the union armies. The changes that made real lasting effect were not cold blooded murderous action, in fact the French revolution didn't last 15 years. It was social, cultural, political change. It was people changing themselves in order to change the world.

The bourgeoisie will use heinous violence to protect their interests, fascism is one of capitalism's immune responses from mass organization and revolutionary activity. There are others, but that's the big scary one we are dealing with now. Revolutionary change in the world begins with revolutionary changes to ourselves, and to each other, a cumulative historic project of liberation of the oppressed from our oppressors.

Deposing the bourgeoisie is not to become a new bourgeois. We can't do what they do to become something that isn't them. We will have to defend ourselves from violence but violence will not bring the changes that are necessary to create a better world. There will have to be justice for crimes against humanity, and what that justice will look like will be orders of magnitude more humane, and this bears out in historic examples from the Paris commune, to the Russian revolution (which was almost entirely bloodless until the civil war) to the Cuban revolution, and so forth.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

How is the slave owner using a slave driver to whip slaves different from the slaves organizing and killing the slavers?

[–] BiteSizedZeitGeist@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well, as someone who hasn't Read Theory, the last line in the meme seems to disdain use of violence in a very general way. It was just confusing, but I see now that it's just not well worded

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 31 minutes ago

I made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list if you want a place to start, FYI

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

i wish there was something that can be said when democrats are in control of the congress and the presidency (again) because of trump, but still aren't able to do anything because of a few holdouts (also again).

we've seen this story play out so many times in the last half century that you'd think people would learn from it; but we don't so the only conclusion you can draw is that not enough americans pay attention.

i pity future generations that will have to pay the price for this mass negligence and glad that i will be gone before the brunt of it hits.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago

Nothing will be learned. People will just fearmonger and do lesser evilism again to justify not voting for anyone else.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Saying that when trump is bringing about fascism is ironic.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 minutes ago

Great man theory is bunk

[–] RiverRock@lemmy.ml 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

The fascism was here all along, it just wasn't equally distrubuted. The camps were already full, the tent cities were already growing, the war machine was already churning, the secret police were already snatching people to blacksites, the fascists were already supported and the genocide already ongoing. Trump just doesn't bother with the mask, and liberals mistake that for a qualitative change. He says the quiet part so loud that willful ignorance becomes impossible, and you mistake that change in your awareness for a change in the real conditions. The building has been burning for a long time, he's just the noxious smoke that wakes you up from your sleep.

[–] hamid@crazypeople.online 19 points 1 day ago