Key detail missing here - what is the interest rate on avg? I buy a bunch of stuff at BNPL because with 0% interest over 1 year it's essentially at least 2-4% cheaper due to inflation.
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There's also a lot of split into 4 payments as an option, which is helpful because credit cards freak out and cry fraud much more likely if a purchase is over 1-2k but are fine with under 500.
Our current fist currency is all fake. Based on farts and promises.
The users of buy now pay later probably discovered that loophole in our society, that they are just using someone else's fake money to buy stuff.
They are onto something enlightened
No. Their business model is literally currently failing.
People can't afford to pay back. That is why they couldn't afford saving for it. So the service provider will sit on bad debt until no one wants to leant them money anymore and they are bankrupt.
People shouldn't pay back. Its fake money after all, it has no real value, just made up debt value and promises and shit.
It's not gold or silver
Honestly, I am kinda tempted to say "To hell with fiscal responsibility!", and just live like someone with a decent income. That said, I will do the supposedly responsible thing and just keep foreign currency or buy gold. Because I am expecting this scenario to come for the American dollar:

Is this the right tactic to take? Who knows... 🤷♂️
That's why I sold all my dollars to my local currency one year ago. I am not trusting that currench
It really should be called "buy now, pay more later". When are these greedy fucks going to learn that it's not good when consumers don't have money to spend? If all their money goes towards interest payments then we see a collapse in demand.
Except many BNPL options are 0% interest rate. I just renovated an apartment with ikea stuff and they offered me 0% interest rate over 1 year - it makes no sense to not take this offer.
Many companies would gladly lose 4% (avg inflation) to guarantee a sale especially when dipping on loans are basically impossible today for the average consumer.
They're still in the acquire customers and market share phase and the number of providers is increasing. Increase in fees and predatory aspects comes later in the enshittification phase.
What other fees are involved? Any monthky admin fees etc? If not then I 100% agree BNPL is the way to go
I'm not sure but Ikea's BNPL here has 0 fees.
Until you miss a payment and they hit you with the fine for missing a payment.
THEY HAVE TO MAKE MONEY!
Just don't miss payments then. They make money from sales cut not from fees. E.g. Amazon will take 6% loss to get a sale giving Klarna 3% and losing 3% to inflation.
Looking at Klarna for example it's 5$ late fee and then it gets reported to relevant authorities (credit, collections etc.) and they just block you.
It's not that tricky like payday loans or similar. The issue at hand is really just people buying more than they can afford because they are not charged instantly.
I don’t know if we have enough information. I agree with you that BNPL purchases are typically bad for the consumer, but I don’t necessarily think any to call people greedy in a difficult economy. Sometimes, people end up in shitty situations, trying to keep their life together, even when they can’t afford to.
Was the volume items purchased greater than before or are prices just completely out of control? The article doesn’t indicate that it accounts for inflation. Inflation was about 3% and BNLPL was up 4%.
What about the types of items that were purchased? It doesn’t actually say what types of items were used to BNPL transactions so we don’t know if it was household needs or unnecessary consumption.
I'm calling the lenders greedy. BNPL is similar to payday loans, taking advantage of people who don't have money, making it cost more to be poor. The people who use BNPL are just being taken advantage of and suffer because of their situation.
Oh my mistake! Yeah we live in a dystopian nightmare and we don’t even have cool sci-fi shit to make up for it. Everything sucks
2008 recession will look like child's play compared to our next global recession.
Just another once in a lifetime event.
Not sure if we are in a sim or not, but i'm tired of getting fucked.
So much for that black Friday boycott.
this is the most frustrating part. This slow march to project 2025's goals isn't sophisticated. Any semblance of a general strike or boycott would have these cretins about-facing in no time. people are being sent to death camps, and we have this article.
I'll always believe the interwebz are "bread and circus 3.0" (Radio was 1.0 and TV was 2.0). If the average dolt believes the reward for silence is "next up", they'll quietly cower in the face of blatant human rights violations.
Did nobody think that the “consumer” is capitalism way of speaking about humans?
I’m not a consumer, I’m a free man!
The point of the word is to give more context, so it's clearer what's being described. Same with the word user, you could say "Steam has 40m humans", or you could say users.
Funnily enough, there is a case as to why the word consumer so often pops up, especially in capitalist context. The first documented case of consumer was in the Middle Ages, in a French dictionary. It derives its meaning from Consumare, Latin for "use" but in a destructive manner. For example, you'd consume a candle or an apple because you'll use them and then they're gone, they're broken/destroyed. Being a consumer back then was a bad thing because people were so ridiculously poor and naturally could not waste. Now contrast that with the same French dictionary which defines customer as a person who routinely buys from the same merchant.
There's a reason why this is being used so prevalently today. Customer implies agency, a process of thinking and making a choice, while a consumer just consumes. Let me give an example. "We need to check how the consumers will receive it." it implies zero agency on the "consumers" part. Like feeding a toddler. But if I just say "We need to check how the customers will receive it", it again implies agency that we have to do well to satisfy the needs of the customer and not just try feeding a toddler by using dirty tricks.
The new Bath and Body Works CEO has implemented calling their customers "consumers" now instead. In things that come down from corporate, customer has been replaced with consumer. It's extremely off putting.
So you're saying the point of using "consumer" over "customer" is to dehumanize people so businesses don't feel bad bilking them. Sounds right
There is no debtor's prison in the usa. Charge everything you can, especially if you are poor. Let the chips fall where they may. With any luck the government will bail out the citizens like they do for the airlines, car companies and banks. /s
No debtors prison but there is a credit score. And that shit is the gateway to paying less for everything when you're borrowing money. Especially for a mortgage on a house so you actually have equity in the property you're living in.
Wrecking your credit score basically gate keeps you from a lot of stuff sadly.
I mean, I know you said /s but just saying fucking up your credit can screw you hard in the hyper capitalist hellscape we live in.
My 800+ credit score didn't get me a better interest rate on my mortgage.. that's a game for corporations, multi-millionaires and above.
Raw dollar value means nothing if it's not tariff and inflation adjusted. Report total pieces as well.
It's about one billion pieces of dollars. I'm let someone else handle the rest.
as consumers looked for greater flexibility in managing their holiday budgets
Yea, that's a really nice way to put it.
Less spending on credit cards to at least partially balance that or just full tilt debt spirals?
Remember kids: someone is making money off of this, and it’s not you. There’s a reason some European countries have (started to) put this BNPL under strict credit regulation.