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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

For anyone that refuses to downgrade win10 to win11 and still wants to be secure running windows, 0Patch will cover your computer for 25eur/computer/year.

I've never used them, but a security researcher I follow regularly promoted them since they've been doing this for systems for a good while (I think win7 was the first one they did) and are able to apply their micropatches in memory.

Definitely worth a look if you don't want to upgrade to Linux while not downgrading to win11.

[–] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 11 hours ago

Or just get the IoT enterprise edition. Support for many more years straight from MS. Or better yet try Linux.

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[–] k0e3@lemmy.ca 15 points 13 hours ago

I literally can't. And I'm not buying new hardware just to make the switch.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 20 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, because if I did then in another 5 years it would be the same thing with Windows 12. Then 13. And so on. So I'm ditching Microsoft entirely in October and moving onto Mint.

[–] slaughterhouse@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Why wait? 😁 I made the move in May, and it's been great!

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[–] gera@feddit.nu 5 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I just can't be fucked. I have win10 on my laptop that I boot once a month to run some windows programs but other then that I don't care about it. The only reason I see myself upgrading is to maybe know how to help my relatives with their windows 11 problems.

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[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 59 points 17 hours ago (3 children)
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[–] restingboredface@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago

What bothers me is that I'm getting all this "upgrade to windows 11" crap from other companies, like my antivirus. I get that eset reason to tell me about possible security risks to my computer, but I'd prefer if they give me options for addressing it that don't involve dealing with a new OS, especially the win 11 dumpster fire.

[–] Infernal_pizza@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

How much of this is people not wanting to upgrade vs not being able to upgrade because their PC isn't supported?

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 39 points 16 hours ago

I'm a sys admin in the public sector and the hardware requirements of W11 are a great blessing. I couldn't have convinced thousands of workers to switch to Linux and get used to another GUI but this forces it on us because there simply is no money to replace all that hardware. Rolling out Mint clients and between this and mobile operating systems Microsoft is finally losing its monopoly on the OS market.

[–] Lazycog@sopuli.xyz 25 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

I have been called by friends, family friends, and their friends to help with this and so many have hardware that is not supported, and some are not able to afford a new PC right now. That's my limited and personal experience about this.

I have reservations about installing Linux Mint/other for these people because I don't have time to help right now and you do need sometimes help if you are slightly tech aware but not enough to be able to troubleshoot yourself or search for right info. For folks who barely touch any settings and just use it for docs + web it's easy, but for others not always.

Microsoft is such an ass for doing this.

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 28 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Microsoft has given users fair warning, and said that users can get a year of updates for free but eventually the company will have to face facts and extended support beyond October.

We can’t recall a time where Microsoft has done such a thing but these are extenuating circumstances given that most users just aren’t budging.

WTF is this guy talking about? Far as I can tell this is the Win7 playbook all over again. Looking it up, this was the timeline:

Jan. 13, 2015: Microsoft ended Mainstream Support for Windows 7.

Sept. 6, 2018: Microsoft announced the ESUs for Windows 7. The ESU program is a paid service that provides critical security updates for legacy products for up to three years after Extended Support ends.

August 2019: Microsoft announced a year of free ESUs, but only for select users, including customers with an Enterprise Agreement or Enterprise Agreement Subscription with active Windows 10 Enterprise E5, Microsoft 365 E5, or Microsoft 365 E5 Security subscriptions. This was limited to only Government E5 stock keeping units.

Jan. 14, 2020: Microsoft ended Extended Support for Windows 7.

Jan. 10, 2023: The ESUs reached their end of life on the first Patch Tuesday of 2023.

That's almost a decade of post-end of support updates. If anything, MS confirmed ESU before trying to shut down home user patches this time, so it looks less like terrified backpedalling. And as the linked article itself admits, the data they're reporting on shows a significant number of users still on Win7. The article waves it away as just "too many", but the original report says 8.5%.

Because, as it turns out, the kind of people using Kapersky antivirus software and the number of people who would not upgrade from a 16 year old OS that has lost support half a dozen times over the past half a decade show significant overlap. In the Steam survey right now Win 7 is only 0.07%, for reference.

While we're at it Win 11 is 60% vs 35% for Win 10. For all the headlines when Steam shows Linux growth you don't often hear over here that Win 11 went up by 0.5% and Windows overall went up by 0.36%, although it's worth noting that Windows has been pretty stable between 94 and 96% since the survey started.

I've said it before and I'll keep reality checking it: the Win 10 end of support process has been wildly overhyped, particularly among Linux-friendly circles. It is not meaningfully different to moves out of other "good" versions of Windows and it's not a catastrophic crisis point for MS, for better and worse. They'll keep support up for the people who need it for as long as they're willing to pay and most legacy home users won't even know their old Win10 is unsupported because it'll just keep happily chugging along with all the same malware it already has until something breaks and they have to buy a new laptop with a preinstalled Win11 or 12 or whatever.

The most the Win10 death hype is doing to hurt MS is create a flurry of social media posts that can convince tech savvy, Linux-curious users who were previously held back by lack of gaming support to give user friendly distros a try.

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[–] derry@midwest.social 7 points 12 hours ago

But they managed to convince people to switch to Linux

[–] judgyweevil@feddit.it 35 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

It convinced me to ditch dual booting and to go full Linux

[–] fuzzyfirefox@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I just went straight to Mint as I had another PC running W11, which I rarely used. And then when I had to use it, W11 would always force me to download a ton of updates that had no positive effects on the PC. After dealing with this about 5 times, I just converted that W11 PC to Mint too, so I’m 100% Windows free now.

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[–] Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

Wait...
Excluding half of the active PCs or so from upgrade due to arbitrary hardware constraints didn't push upgrading?
How can this be??? 😯🫢

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 3 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

What actually is the hardware requirement here?

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[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago

Read the room, Microsoft.

[–] bigbabybilly@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

I sidestepped the win11 artificial requirements, and things are great.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I got your upgrade right...


here

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This is one guy you don't see palling about with Donald Trump.

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