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be nice and fact-oriented in the comments please

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[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 105 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)
  • fact 1: yes, malcolm x said some things that are easily categorized as antisemitism. these statements were not the primary thrust of his platform but are not above criticism.
  • fact 2: charlie kirk said many things that are easily categorized as transphobia, homophobia, racism, islamophobia. these words were his entire platform and he literally died with the hateful words on his lips.
[–] 0laura@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

and Charlie arguably did things you should also consider Antisemitism. he said abortions are worse than the Holocaust and greeted a German with "Deutschland über alles" which is illegal to say in Germany

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

more importantly he peddled neo-Nazi conspiracies and claimed Jews control the media, education, non-profits, etc. and are pushing "cultural Marxism"

this guy was pushing neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories - it's so much worse than comparing abortions to the Holocaust, lol

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 hours ago

Charlie Kirk is a fascist. Period.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 51 minutes ago) (2 children)

I can't believe you left out that Charlie Kirk ~~is~~ was famously anti-Semitic (like, repeats neo-Nazi conspiracy theories levels of anti-Semitic) :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk#American_Jews_and_antisemitism

Kirk had been accused of antisemitism by multiple people and organizations;[187][188][189] The Anti-Defamation League accused Kirk of creating a "vast platform for extremists and far-right conspiracy theorists".[187] In October 2023, he said on The Charlie Kirk Show that "Jewish donors have been the Number 1 funding mechanism of radical, open border, neoliberal, quasi‑Marxist policies ... This is a beast created by secular Jews, and now it's coming for Jews". He also suggested that these Jews control "not just the colleges; it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it". Soon after, he said that "Jews have been some of the largest funders of cultural Marxist ideas and supporters of those ideas over the last 30 or 40 years."[190] Kirk called on American Jews to stop "subsidizing your own demise by supporting institutions that breed Anti-Semites and endorse genocidal killers".[187]

In November 2023, Kirk said that "Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them".[188] He went on to claim "the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors", but said he was glad that some donors were reconsidering.[191] In 2025, Kirk said that "No non-Jewish person my age has a longer or clearer record of support for Israel, sympathy with the Jewish people, or opposition to antisemitism than I do".[187] In July 2025, Kirk warned his followers against hatred of Jews, calling it "evil" and "demonic".[192] Some Jewish public figures have defended Kirk against accusations of antisemitism, citing his pro-Israel stance. Kirk was funded by some Jewish donors, including Bernie Marcus.[193]

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 10 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

I can't believe you left out that Charlie Kirk is famously anti-Semitic

To be fair, he isn't anymore.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 51 minutes ago)
[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

He's being used as a martyr, so yes he is.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 47 minutes ago

dead authors are sometimes given historical present tense treatment to verbs of communication, "Charlie Kirk says the Jews control the colleges and Hollywood" is a stylistically acceptable choice

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 hour ago

touche! thanks for sharing

[–] bownage@beehaw.org 11 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's such a shame irony is lost on fascists, they're hilarious

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 8 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Hard to see the hilarity when they're causing so much damage.

[–] bownage@beehaw.org 4 points 2 hours ago
[–] NONE_dc@lemmy.world 16 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

"Disavow" is the first words those mf learn when they are babies.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Sergio@piefed.social 22 points 3 hours ago

Regardless of what you think of him, The Autobiography of Malcolm X is a fascinating and well-written book (co-authored with Alex Haley). It's available at many public libraries.