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[–] darkmarx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Every year, we do an employee survey to see how management is doing; like a report card for management. In the last 3 years, mine has come back with the highest company scores for employee engagement, job satisfaction, and project completion rate. I was asked to give a presentation to the other officers and managers about things I do to get those scores.

The presentation was basically one slide that I expanded to 10. It came down to creating the expectation, for the folks who report to me, that a work week is 37.5 hours (our full-time week) and no more. I make it clear that if my team is working overtime, I've failed. If that happens, together we look at their project commitments and reduce the workload, or get training, or whatever is needed.

Working folks to the point of burnout is NEVER a valid solution. Respecting personal time pays dividends to everyone. It's amazing how treating people like adults makes them happier and more productive. It's such a low bar and yet seems so foreign to people.

After my presentation, multiple execs argued thar I'd get more done if I pushed my team harder. Our company President pulled up all of our project completion rates, and asked them to explain the discrepancy. The three who complained the most about my approach were in the bottom five.

Data continually shows people are happy when they have a solid, predictable, work life balance. Happy people are more productive and are willing to do more in the long run. And they stick around, so you don't have to keep looking for new employees. Everyone wins. Yet, there is such a resistance to it by certain people, and I don't understand why.

Tldr: Expecting your people to give up their personal life for work, it's a clear sign that you are a terrible leader.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I make it clear that if my team is working overtime, I've failed.

Bingo!

This was my attitude too. If anyone has to work late or weekends, it was a failure in resource allocation, which is a management function.

The only exception was if people had to get on late night calls with people in other timezones, in which case they were expected to take the equivalent time off at their own convenience.

Another easy win is bullshit agile daily standups. I made them twice a week, and no longer than 15 minutes and only to cover potential blockers, not status reports. That alone made everyone happier. In one case, the team finished a project that had been languishing for three years in three months and shipped it out.

It's really about respecting people's time.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

My last boss totally fucked up my daily stand-ups. I suggested them because, when I started, I found most work wasn't consistently tracked or even discussed. My boss's management style was panicking about everything and panic working while raging that no one else was also panicking about everything (spoiler: I also learned department turnover was high, can't imagine why), so I was trying to help implement any organization whatsoever. She quickly turned my 10 minute stand-ups into 1-1.5 hour slogs where each team member had to give an update on each of their projects, despite having earlier logged it all into the project tracker I created.

By far the worst micromanager and least competent person I ever worked for.

[–] pentastarm@piefed.ca 1 points 1 month ago

My coworkers and I were having issues getting any information from another team to do our job. Since we had a set deadline to finish the work, I set up a Monday/Wednesday meeting schedule to extract the information we needed from that team. My boss and the other team's boss turned it into a two hour update-fest with us and the other team updating our respective bosses, with both teams in the meeting. So fucking pointless, and so far away from what that meeting was supposed to be, it is truly astonishing we were able to get anything done.

Oh and the other team stopped providing the information we needed to finish when our bosses converted our meeting to update-fest.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yet, there is such a resistance to it by certain people, and I don’t understand why.

People are emotional driven. It might be something like "I worked 80 hour weeks. If I accept that that wasn't the right move, then I have to admit I fucked up. I'm a good smart person. I don't fuck up. Thus, this idea is wrong and I reject it"

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Drama is much more compelling than good leadership. Martin Gutmann: good leadership is boring

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

sounds like how my parents rationalize my childhood

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Massive impact on the world. Lol. Says the guy who makes another SaaS bs solution.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I feel like anyone who says they love their work so much it doesn't feel like work just doesn't have an actual life that they like to live so work just beats out not working everytime.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Dude, you're pulling 80 hour weeks for your company. That you own. Expecting the same input from people who will never see as much as a percentage of what you stand to make off of their success is delusional. But I suppose delusion is almost a requirement for these kind of people.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Personally theory.....

Many startups fail because people try to work 80+hrs per week. Biologically more than about 25-30 hours of work is usually a waste of time. You can occasionally pull a long week but then you need to rest and recover to get back to full productivity. If you push beyond it often, you'll make a shit ton of stupid mistakes that completely nullify all your efforts.

If you've ever been around someone "working" on hour 70+ during a week you'll know what I mean. A five minute tasks takes them an hour and they generally fuck it up.

I've worked for a few startups (in software). They all failed because their idea was stupid, the executives were technically incompetent borderline sociopaths, and they weren't even good at getting VCs to throw money at them. Some employees worked insane hours while others of us fucked off most of the time and came to work high - it made no difference.

[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

advice to you; lie

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

It sounds exploitative because it is exploitative!

[–] Darkard@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

"No no, you don't understand. You shouldn't have a family, you have to flog yourself to death for this startup company that's making a Gym Membership app. If you don't neglect your kids to vibe code a scheduling system then you just don't deserve a job and you and your family should just die"

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Bro, if you don't believe in GimLyfe, maybe success isn't for you.

You should really consider having the grindset to be a self-starter in our face-paced family, instead of having a real family.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"I work 80 hrs for my own business and I expect everyone else to do so...on a regular salary"

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, on a startup salary. Which might be minimum wage (on a 40h basis). His advice is solid: for someone who looks for work life balance a startup is not the right employer. They will be much happier in a big boring established company. If someone is in their 20s, little family obligations, wants to have a high risk high reward experience, go for it.

People used to start family's in their 20s, cunts like this CEO are the reason they can't and we've developed this garbage mentality.

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd only be willing to put in long hours for little pay at a startup if they agreed to give me shares in the company when I left.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is always the case, you get a very generous part of the equity, which at that time is worth nothing, with the hope that in a number of years you can cash out and move from a dingy basement to a tropical island.

If they don't offer a this very generous equity, run away immediately.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

And then they either water down the equity you have or get aquihired or some other bullshit.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounds exploitative because it is. Just because work is your entire personality doesn’t mean every one else’s should be too. Fucking tool

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Recently read "Pimp" by Iceberg Slim, and it seems like a training manual for (some) modern managers and executives. Use your recruiting process to select low-esteem, easily manipulated people to be your worker drones, and they will do 80 hour weeks to earn that pizza party.