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[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

theres a generation of kids who don't understand basic directories because of the mobile market and never actually used a pc in a regular usecase.

put in perspective, there are those who are more proficient on a touchscreen keyboard more than an actual keyboard.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Weird, right? I feel like I grew up in the perfect generation, where I started with MS-DOS and Windows ‘95. We had to KNOW how things worked in order to get games and other software running. Had to know how to install, how to fix driver issues, how to configure things, etc. Even (re)install a complete OS.

But tech these days ‘just works’. A lot of software is one click installs, with no real user interaction needed. And everything else is easily accessed on the web or a phone app. Windows itself is also much more reliable, so even that doesn’t require much knowledge.

It’s made everything available to a much wider audience, but it also means people don’t need to develop actual skills in this area. A good example is my dad. He never figured out how to do things on our Windows ‘95 PC, but he loves his iPad because it’s so easy toddlers can use it.

[–] uid0gid0@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You had to prove you were worthy to play the game by resolving IRQ conflicts and figuring out how to squeeze every spare byte out of HIMEM.SYS. Sometime it was more challenging than the actual game.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

And let’s not forget that ‘system requirements’ were more like ‘system suggestions and challenges’. Especially when your parents bought ‘a computer’ with hardware specs that basically read ‘hard drive, memory, soundcard, CD-ROM drive’.

So when configuring things, there was some trial and error involved in figuring out what the software could attempt to configure in order to work with your specific thing. It’s not like today where us gamers pick the exact hardware down to the RGB-infused RAM.

And few things were plug and play prior to USB. You know how shitty printers are now? Try wrestling with one of those on a fucking parallel port.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's Chromebooks, phones, and tablets that you don't ever have exposure to actual files. Chromebooks especially now that they're so common in schools because they're cheap.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I so wish Linux phones were actually a usable thing so that we could have functional pocket computers.
The attempts made so far weren't very convincing.

[–] ziixe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly we probably can just somehow shove Linux components like flatpak and other stuff like the terminal into android, make them apks somehow so they can work whenever

Of course this would be hard AF to do but I just want to run tik tok in a sealed off VM using flatseal goddamnit (I don't trust it with my phone but I want to access the videos on it)

[–] decisivelyhoodnoises@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] ziixe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, and then run a android emulator inside that and then use tik tok, reminds me of that attempt to run old Mac os on a Wii since they're but PowerPC based, but it ended in a ton of conversions and it taking like 20 mins to click something, but it won't be that bad probably

Gonna mess with it once I get a new phone tho, can't now since it's filled with crap

[–] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I call bullshit on this post. Since Windows 10 you can just double click a zip file and it opens up like any other directory (even if it isn't) and shows you the files.

If this zoomer wanted to open it they'd obviously double click.

So calm down boomers, this is fiction.

[–] hinterlufer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

If it's an executeable with dependencies in the archive it might not run without being unpacked.

[–] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

Administrators can disable this, so I think the larger point is: if a tech literate person receives a zip file, they understand that it is in fact a compressed archive that can contain one or more files and directories, and that you need an archive tool to extract the contents, whereas a tech illiterate person doesn't understand this and expects it to just be handled magically when they double click on it and are stumped when that doesn't work.

[–] Stephen304@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Maybe they downloaded the zip and then immediately tried to open it in a specific program through the open dialog giving them an error. I see similar mistakes with my parents - they have no concept of where files are, it's just "on the computer" because they rely so heavily on "smart" file picker dialogs that show you everything recent or by a file type no matter where it's actually located.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not super tech literare... Is there even a reason to unzip the files if you just want to grab one of them? I kust assumed windows is unzipping it into some weird temporary memory anyway to show me them, so a file is a file?

[–] Vlyn@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 years ago

I mean the file is zipped, as in compressed. So it might just look like a file, but if you open it inside the zip (with file explorer) Windows does have to decompress the file in the background to show it to you.

Which is obviously slightly slower than if you unzip the file and put it somewhere and then open it, but you won't really notice the difference except we're talking about massive files.

And of course if you make changes to the file you can't save it (except to a new file) as it gets opened up as read only.

If you just want to store the file and view it every now and then I don't see a reason to unzip it. And you can always do that later anyway.