I respect people's right to use apple products, but please stop asserting "privacy", big corps doesn't give a shit.
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"I give up"
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Yeah, I use lineage with microg..and it's been tough.. I had to deal with several government apps in order to start a new job and guess what? None of them work..I had to use my wife's phone to get my new ID.. I'm a teacher and I have to use government apps to deal with student's absences..that Does not work either..basically anything that relys on Brazilian government app to authenticate something is not going to work. I tried to use the website..guess again..it does not work! One can't export an ID from the website..I had been dealing with banking apps without much trouble..but this ID thing is terrible! How come you can only do stuff using an app and not using the website!?
Don't feel bad. Nothing wrong with using an iPhone if you need to. The custom ROM world is janky at best, and it even requires two devices at some point.
Apple is kicking and screaming all the way on this side loading path.
As soon as Google got away with it, Apple will refer to Google and happily claim an even playfield and everyone is left holding the shortest stick.
It's really funny seeing people who defend capitalism trying to avoid capitalism problems with individual actions instead of organizing themselves and fighting for the interest of their own class
Once my GrapheneOS phone goes out of service, I may just go back to flip phones. I actually kind of hate smartphones and their corrosive effect on the world. The convenience isn't worth the loss of privacy, empowerment of bad actors, and psychological/societal damage. I can live without it. I'll just do computery stuff on real computers on my own schedule.
I'm just saying that you can uninstall stuff from your smart phone.
Use it for phone stuff, not computer stuff.
But hey, don't let me tell you what to do. Have fun.
I'm so glad someone else is seeing this.
Watching people say "I'll just use an iphone because android is too locked down" really reinforces my opinion of the average person.
People are saying this?
Are they idiots?
Someone actually said that to me the other day. (I am no longer friends with that person). I think its because people (especially americans) see that almost everyone is using iPhone so their tiny social media influenced brains say “If EveRy oNe USes ipHonE it beTteR”. Meanwhile us sensible people just sit here internally screaming.
iPhone users
Yes
Listen. I’ll be the first to pirate and the first to ditch giving companies like Amazon or Google my money.
But I draw the line at my phone. I tried GrapheneOS and had so many issues with things like banking that it’s just not viable for most people.
I love my iPhone for what I use it for and it works as intended. I listened to yall and removed windows for Linux and that was a shit show too. Nvidia drivers ugh. WiFi just stopping etc. easier to use windows to load the one app of stream I use and do some dev work.
Honestly? Skill issue.
It takes some time and effort to get up to speed on community driven operating systems but it's a much happier life once you do.
I respect where you're coming from, But the mentality of Linux users to say "skill issue" in these situations is the #1 reason why Linux isn't more adopted. Is it a skill issue on the user's end or is it a skill issue on the Linux developers' end? Maybe they should make more automatically functional out of the box software. Doesn't feel too nice to be told that does it?
Not everyone has time to become skilled in computing. Additionally, Linux users are so deep in the computing rabbit hole that they don't even appreciate how deep in it they really are. What strikes them as basic or fundamental is really confusing for a lot of people.
It is not acceptable to just blame the user and say that the problem is that the user is a fool. That could maybe be a reasonable standpoint if 99% of people were using the software without issue, but we all know that isn't the case with Linux.
Someone wants to boot up their computer and get on Wi-Fi and play games with their updated drivers. Windows provides that out of the box, without them needing to do anything. That is factually a better experience than needing to screw around reading a bunch of guides and forums and running commands that you don't understand for potentially multiple hours. Blaming that on the user just means that the users continue to have a bad experience. If that's the view the community wants to take, fine - But then don't complain when the majority of people don't want to use your thing.
I understand. When my Win10 PC was approaching End Of Life, I switched to Linux instead of buying a new computer. I’m fairly familiar with Linux since all my servers are Debian, and it’s been great. I tried three distros and they all were unstable due to my hardware. When I asked what I should do, I was told I should buy a new computer that was compatible with Linux. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I’m using Ubuntu now on that computer, and it’s more stable, but I’ve still had to use a boot drive to roll back TimeShift after a hard crash.
Week 4 on GrapheneOS:
This is the best. I should have done this years ago.
Even IF all you care about is performance, this is the option. Fastest pocket derputer I've used in my life.
Just use the device mobile security researchers use.
You’re gonna hate it when you discover which one it is.
Yeah, just hating on iPhones because they're iPhones is stupid. I use GrapheneOS, and their official statement is "Graphene is your best option for security, but if you don't want to fiddle with things and be in an open source ecosystem, your #2 best choice is an iPhone"
Excuse me Sir/Ma'am is it socially acceptable to dislike walled gardens and horrendous UI design at the price of more than a new laptop computer
I’d love to use graphene if it didn’t require me to buy a Pixel
I genuinely don't understand this mindset. they work fine and the security seems unmatched.
I’ll never use an android device again knowing what I know about them.
I begrudgingly use an iPhone, knowing what I know about them.
Baseband will always be against you, no matter what choice you make.
Just use the device pedophiles use.
Without defending one or the other, as long as you have proprietary closed software running on the device itself or on the backend of the services it syncs with, all you can have is assumptions and reasonable doubt about how the data is used. We're trading convenience for someone knowing something about us.
The fact that there are only two operating systems and both are locked down is a major problem. Unless a company like Valve invests heavily in a linux phone it is unlikely to ever go mainstream enough for developer or device support.
We need governments and legislators to force these systems open. To enshrine the right to control the things you own and criminalize any attempt to curb people’s ownership or control. That is the first step. Once that’s in place, the environment for a third option to exist will be in place.
There are more than these 2, they are just ubiquitous.
Sailfish is another one, UBPorts, Danctnix, ... They have no marketshare worth considering for companies so they lock their services down to the 2 big ones and everything else in their eyes is "unsupported" at best and "not secure" at worst.
What Linux based phones are actually worth trying? Something not built on old hardware, and can actually install apps, messages people and work as a phone. And that I won’t have to chase issues and bug fixes on nonstop to keep it working. Something stable for daily use, works in multiple countries, and not just something to play around with.
Are the fair phones really that bad on Ubuntu? I was sizing those up for my next phone
So far there's this company: https://furilabs.com/shop/flx1s/
The phones actually seem really neat, they're running real Linux, with Waydroid for sandboxed android apps. But it's got... quirks. It's very GNOMEy and there's still a lot of battery issues and it can be a bit awkward to use.
Also, since apps are sandboxed, something like sending pictures over Signal can be tedious without extra steps.
But it's an exciting step forward and the devs are really involved with the community!
Alternatively I imagine there's something like PostMarket on a Fairphone. Even with their issues, I appreciate what they're trying to do.
it doesn’t matter if apple cares about privacy. corpos shouldn’t have this data in the first place.
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