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But according to the libs round here, ChInA BaDDDDddd (lemmy.ml)

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[–] Ibuthyr@feddit.org 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I gotta give you this one. I had a sensible chuckle. Development in China has been crazy!

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago

Socialism in action, which allows for long-term planning and acheiving societal goals.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Okay I would just upvote and move on, but you're clearly baiting with that title so if it's alright with you let's have some banter :P

If I say that

the meme is on point
material conditions in China are to some extent better than the US
the US is definitely worse to its own people and the world
I'm staunchly anti-capitalist

but I also say that I still don't like the Chinese state because I don't consider that (and ML in general) a form of worker-owned means of production (whether or not you agree)

Am I a "lib"?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Kinda? What do you think socialism looks like, if not the PRC? What about the PRC makes it not "genuine worker control," or more broadly, Marxism-Leninism not "genuine worker control?"

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It's mostly to do with how the workers aren't in control of anything

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They are, though. China is a democratic country, and public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Polling shows genuine democracy:

What would worker control have to look like for you to accept it?

[+] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works -7 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

You can't possibly think China is a democracy for real?

It's literally a 1 party authoritarian state with a president for life

[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 2 points 29 minutes ago

Compared to the robust system of democracy in the US where corporations buy elections and the average person never gets to see a single policy enacted that benefits them? Is that what you're comparing China to?

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 hour ago

You can’t possibly think China is a democracy for real?

yes we can, because we have actually studied the political structure of china

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The PRC isn't a western liberal faux-democracy, no, but it is a comprehensive unitary socialist democracy. Policy is usually pushed from the bottom-up, and there is comprehensive levels of provincial, regional, and national democracy. They abolished term limits for the presidential position, but that doesn't mean "president for life," Xi can be taken down democratically. It's unlikely, though, considering he enjoys over 90% support.

As for being "authoritarian," all states are. The difference with China is that the working class is in control of the state, rather than the capitalist class like in western countries.

[–] KuroiKaze@lemmy.world -4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I've been to China plenty, they def aren't living like this lol. Who believes this shit.

[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

That's funny because literally China is one of the countries with the highest approval of their government by independent studies.

So even if you're telling the truth the vast majority of the Chinese people disagree with your sentiment.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 25 minutes ago (1 children)

Their comment wasn't about government approval.

[–] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 2 points 23 minutes ago

Do you think a people who were living in poverty and had terrible living conditions would be overwhelmingly supportive of their government? Come on now think for a second here.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago

Cool story

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

lol@that dork who can't be bothered to read a few paragraphs on Tibet and does the "China bad!" unironically.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 hours ago

They're also an eco-fascist "leftist," and just say "all countries are bad" and that "humanity should go extinct." There's nothing that seems to be capable of convincing them of being worthy of support.

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