Okay so I get this is a meme BUT I started using a yubikey instead of the auth app and it has done a world of good for my sanity.
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I transitioned everything to Bitwarden. Password manager, passkeys, and MFA code generation all in one app that works on all of my devices.
And then I started to self-host it via Vaultwarden and transferred all the data.
A friendly FYI: having your passwords and MFA in one place partially defeats the purpose
True, but the alternatives generally are either a pain in the ass or require yet another syncing service to have sensitive info just so I can access things reliably anywhere.
It is still more secure than SMS and email based options.
Besides, my vaultwarden still needs an MFA code to access in the first place, and that's handled by a separate generator.
I get that not everyone wants to set up something like Aegis in combination with e.g. Syncthing.
Of course it is still better than SMS and email, but I would recommend you check out Ente Auth and/or Proton Auth.
Both are end to end encrypted and you would at least have it in separate apps
I'm willing to accept the slight security difference in exchange for the convenience of having access on a single app 99.9% of the time.
To get into my Vaultwarden in the first place to get my info they'd first have to know my self-hosted server exists to target. And they'd need to compromise that MFA which is handled by a separate unrelated app.
That's more than enough security for nearly everyone on the planet.
Perfectly valid, everyone has their own threat model and their own standards.
Sure. But if your bitwarden is protected by a 50char password AND a yubikey, it's not that big of a tradeoff imo. That's what I do, but I have hundreds of MFA tokens and it was PAINFUL to auth a lot of the time when I was using an authenticator app.
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Bitwarden is just so awesome
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Depends on your org. I have a yubikey, a phone app Authenticator, a pin and my regular SSO login/password. All of which I have to use constantly, because some dumbass did something dumb like two fucking years ago. So I can hardly get shit done. Plus the same dumbasses who probably fucked all this up are writing production code for an actual product. Please kill me.
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Our password manager requires logging in and using the authenticator every time the session times out, so we all started using a browser plug-in to keep the session alive all day.
Seconding the ask on the extension, I hate having to log into my secret store every 15 minutes while working on stuff
Session alive
Same issue. What's the extension called?
I use session alive
So secure.
Complain to the guys that set stupid policies that encourage people to do this. We gave up trying and don't care any more.
That may have come off as judgmental. It wasn't meant to be. When you make security so onerous that no one will do it then it's little surprise that people.... won't.
Especially when it's a business.
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And get 15 emails from microsoft regarding how you just logged in.
No matter how bad you have it someone else has it worse.
In order to do my job I have to log into the VPN, and then remote desktop onto a server, then from that server remote desktop onto another server. Then I have to go back to the first remote desktop and remote desktop onto a different server which from there I can remote desktop onto two other servers, on one of those servers there are two different log ons which I can use to do different tasks.
Then back on the main desktop I can remotely connect via web browser to a virtual machine that I can then remote desktop onto a server. If I want to change the password on that server I have to remote desktop from that remote desktop from that virtual machine, into a remote desktop.
Oh and then there is the web app that I have to use that only works in Internet Explorer, but for security reasons IE has been removed from the main system, so I have an entire remote desktop literally just to use Internet Explorer.
It takes about 25 minutes to log into everything everyday and about 10 minutes to log out at the end of the day.
Thanks for the aneurysm. I feel for you.
Oh ffs I got annoyed just reading the comment I can't imagine the hell of having to do that
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I bet the security "experts" who designed this are busy jerking each other off about how "secure" they've made everything
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Oh did you change your phone? Suffer bitch!!!
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As someone on the other side, in IT support, you can fix this yourself and I wish more people would.
Before your old phone gets wiped and sent to the graveyard, log in using authenticator, and go to "view account" from any of the online pages for Microsoft (if you're unsure, try login.microsoft.com ). Go to your security options, and you should see all the info you need to remove the old authenticator and add a new one.
From here you can also add backups, which I encourage everyone to do.
It saves you from having to call IT all the time to fix it, and since you don't have to go through the usual back and forth of verifying who you are, or whatever, and getting them to do a thing, you can take care of it for yourself, by yourself, without those unnecessary delays.
Your IT people will appreciate it, and you'll have to talk to them a bit less as a result.
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The largest issue I have is the randomness of all the different security setups. One requires MFA by e-mail, one requires an authenticator, most require sms, some push to require using their app, and this random page requires a code by phone call. Now they are pushing passkeys and that is a complete cluster.
What's ironic is that most of the webpages that push these things don't reach the "Do I give a fuck?" threshold. The security is usually there to protect against unauthorized use of user stored credit cards. Since I am not liable for any fraudulent charges to the credit card, I really don't give a fuck about securing the account. Yeah I am reusing passwords, keeping them in plain text in a word doc etc..
When I worked for other companies, I moderately gave fuck about there security. Not enough to inconvenience me. If they made me change the password constantly, they got the number changing series at the end of the password - $tupidPass#01 Seriously that was my actual work password for over a decade.
Now my bank account and financial logins. You'd better believe those have every security feature they offer setup. I do not fuck around with those. I give a fuck about those.
I remember reading an article once which referred to research which suggested that making people change passwords every month made their accounts less secure, because they have to go extra steps to remember them - which usually translates to making them really obvious and/or storing them where they’re easily accessed. In one of my previous jobs where we had to change passwords every month, basically everybody would have their password written on a post-it on their computer monitor.
In my first job I had like 7 different passwords to access different systems. Each one had different schedule of password reset. They each ended up being on a different reset schedule. I had to reset a password once or twice a week.
Yeah, everyone had their passwords on a sticky note on their monitor. I once got praise for being the one person without it. I of course had an abreviation for the system with what number series the password was on posted on my monitor.
This is my current job. I've got monthly, every three months, every quarter, once per year... Thank goodness the last service they added has SSO.
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Yeah, that's actually also why it's no longer considered best practice to force regular password changes. But many places / websites /apps still do, obviously.
I worked in top secret military stuff and the worst I had was every 4 months on some systems. Monthly seems extremely ineffective.
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Get a yubi key then you have to find your keys
I have a Yubi key that crashes Authenticator when I select the option to it l use it. It goes into a loop asking to touch the button and type the PIN. But it does not wait for input, it just keeps creating windows until it crashes.
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I have multiple accounts configured on the same yubikey, but it seems like any of the Microsoft login portals expect you to always use the account you most recently signed in with. So any time I need to switch accounts (which is often, I have different accounts for each different testing environment and access level), I have to type in my pin and touch my key twice - once to allow Microsoft to try logging in with the wrong account and fail, and then another time where it asks which account I want to use. 🙃
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Have the day you/your company paid to have.
You should try Okta instead! It's... blue.
Da ba dee da ba da
My company... runs both, for some reason.
On a scale of 1-10 how likely are you having conversations with your friends about
Hmmm. Conversation, yes.
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Is there a community around here dedicated to the hatred of Microsoft?
You mean system administrators?
i think that's just all of lemmy at this point
We use duo as 2fA for our Microsoft accounts at work. Every Thursday its log into teams on phone log into teams on desktop, log into outlook on phone, log into outlook on desktop. Why can't your apps cross authenticate on the same device? How does one drive manage to stay authenticated throughout the whole process?
Any actual work I need togets done is done on a 15 year old think pad running Debian. The beefy 12th gen i9 just whirrs its fan around and occasionally gets used for emails, team chats and logging up tickets.
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I hate MS Auth so badly. Why don't they just implement the "normal" 2FA instead? MS doesn't work with Ente Auth
microsoft has sucked arse for eons. the real q is why the fuck IT keeps buying their shit.
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I like when you want to make a Microsoft account, it asks you to enter your exisiting e-mail first (you can enter one ending with @outlook.com or @hotmail.com though, it will create new mail account). It's like they don't believe in their own products, lol.
I once created a Microsoft account (for a Windows 7 machine I think) and entered a Google address. It didn't seem to mind. It's my Microsoft account to this day, not that I have much use for it. Maybe it's gotten more weird nowadays.
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