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EDIT 4: I almost gave up on finding the "holy grail" for my use-case. Right price, right specs, etc., and while it's not perfect, I think I found a solid balance for all. Despite most of the reviews being for a free product, they were well written enough to goad me to purchase. I ended up with the Morefine M9S N305 Mini PC. I grabbed the variant that was still 16GB DDR5, but skimped out of the m.2 size at 256 vs 512. I don't think I'll need 512GB for my application. I also went with an older but more powerful Alder Lake i3 n305 vs the flooded market of Twin Lake n150 procs. I would like to think the extra headroom and core count will prove useful with running 3+ VMs. In the meantime, I've been slowly tinkering with a VM of Proxmox (VMception?) so see how i performs. I've not gotten far with it yet :P

EDIT 3: And Amazon decided to wait until the last minute to cancel my order as it was OOS. Would've been nice if they told me sooner. The unit is now also $60 more than before. GREAT.

EDIT 2: I’ve chosen the Beelink EQ14. It had the best “last-gen” specs, lowest price, and better hardware (BT 5.2 vs Pulcro’s 4.2, as well as Wifi6 vs Wifi5). I also ruled out the Morefine because all of its reviews were paid, not very reassuring imho.

EDIT: Holy shit, was not expecting so much support for my inquiry. Thank you all for the bevy of ideas and solutions. I think I'm still gonna go for the Intel 12th Gen+ NUC style, although some of your setups seriously made me quite jelly. Maybe I'll get there one of these days. I'll update this when I finally lock down my purchase :)

Hey all, lurker for a bit, but just joined because I've started my journey of self hosting the simple stuff (or at least I hope it's simple). For the past couple years I've been using a RPi Zero W for PiHole, and more recently go into Jellyfin and Home Assistant, using an RPi4 and an RPi3+ respectively. I've also got a hand-me-down Synology ds214j NAS with 2x8TB in ~~RAID0~~ RAID1, which is about half full atm. I'm not expecting to expand that storage anytime soon, so I've pivoted to an attempt at combining the 3 Pis above into one NUC/SFF/etc device with a roughly similar power draw. Also looking at re-jumping back into 3D printing using OctoPrint.

I've looked briefly at jumping to a Pi5, but that led me down the rabbit hole with Jeff Geerling's article/video on Pi vs. NUC. I've continued to putter around looking at NUCs in the ~$200 range. Hoping to stick with MinisForum, GMKTek, or Beelink if possible, but only because... it's all I know. I'd like to also tinker deeper with Linux flavors, as I'm a noob at best with it but want to at least have some growing knowledge, as I've primarily been a Windows gamer and use Apple at the office almost exclusively. I'd like to try staying with AMD as I've slowly moved over from the "dark side" (don't hurt me) that is Intel and Nvidia.

Last nugget is that I've never tinkered with Docker, as it seems that may be the best route to host all these apps on one contiguous installation. I've new-ish to VMs too, so anything "Baby's First VM" would be nice.

I know I made a giant pile of wants/needs, so if there's no magical unicorn, I'm cool with other ideas. Thanks in advance, and I'm really keen on seeing what options I have.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Best bang for your buck in general, IMO, is going to be an off-lease mini or SFF from eBay.

[–] Fetus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are some Lenovo minis with Quadro GPUs in them as well. Would be handy for transcodes, if that's something you require for Jellyfin.

[–] mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Any Intel CPU with quicksync will likely be plenty transcoding capability for his use case with significantly lower power draw

[–] felbane@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Can confirm, this is my setup and it works great.

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I think the N100 units are still the best value.

[–] brandon@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

While N100 is great for what it is, especially at a $200 budget, it can be limiting with its fairly small core/thread count if you expand beyond a handful of applications.

OP mentioned tinkering with multiple Linux flavors. A higher end cpu, with more cores and threads, would allow them to virtualize multiple instances on top of whatever other workloads they have and potentially not break a sweat while the N100 could struggle. While such an upgrade would be more expensive, price for performance will likely be significantly better if you can make use of it.

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So I was spitballing there with the Linux stuff. Really I just wanna get something I can VNC into and be headless with a webUI. Something in the PopOS / Mint area if possible, but any other more specialized options could be nice. What would be a "next step up" from the n100 if you know? I'm seeing stuff in the 12th Gen arena as just that.

[–] brandon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s tricky to make a recommendation as pretty much all the home lab stuff that people typically run can be done so on a potato, which is why RPis are so popular.

An N100 would definitely be a step up from the pis and meet your stated needs. They are super popular, in a multitude of formfactors so should be able to find something you like. But you may get the itch to upgrade further if you expect to expand or experiment extensively. Like any hobby, it’s generally easy to justify to yourself that you need to get that “next cool/better/faster/prettier thing” so such an itch may be unavoidable no matter what you get.

Instead of worrying about performance, as pretty much any modern miniPC should outclass a Pi, take a look at the specific form factors that are available. Do they have the expansion, networking you need? Can you stick this thing somewhere out of the way and not worry about it taking too much space or making too much noise? Are you comfortable with their level of support/warranty? Expect garbage/non-existent support from most of the miniPC specialty brands out there, which includes minisforum which I recommended in another comment. If you outgrow it, are you comfortable with it being e-waste/have a means of repurposing it?

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Right on the money. I know that this'll be a hobby I can grow for a while, just gotta find that balance of "is this good enough, or just one more device/peripheral/etc? Right now, I just wanna be able to shove it into my tiny network cabinet (the ones that are included with many new houses). This is what I'm working with currently:

Certainly far from winning any pageants lol. That said, The n100 units, or comparable, are the perfect size to shove into this (sans the two Pis already in there). And yeah, warranty/support-wise, I'm cool with this being an "I'm on my own", as I don't even know how far I'll take this. The e-waste bit, well... I don't really throw anything out. Not a hoarder outside of the digital sense, and repurposing tech is something I'm able to do working for a school district with young tinkerer minds, so to eventually hand this stuff down to them even if just for a stockpile of tech to mess with, is my end goal.

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Any particular models I should look out for? I'm kinda thinking from the perspective of the mythic i5 2500k, that is. Curious if what you've personally used is something I should consider.

[–] deleted@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Ensure the CPU has hardware transcoding for the encoding you need. I wouldn’t go with older than intel 9th gen.

Please checkout this wiki guide here

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

I've found that you don't need to go that far above the $200 cost of an Intel N100/150 system to get a mini PC with a significantly more powerful AMD processor. It won't be the latest generation but it will be capable of a lot more than those low-power Intels, and from my measurements many AMD processors of the last three generations or so are good at saving power when they're idle, so it won't use a ton more electricity. Sometimes you find used ones on eBay at a decent price because someone upgraded.

[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But is it necessary? I'd rather focus more on the tdp.

I know I could just boost the tdp of the n150 if I did want more power, but I see people here running stuff on 10 year old laptops and older Intel n series stuff seemingly without a problem.

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[–] ki9@lemmy.gf4.pw 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

tldr: A used x86 desktop is better than a pi

I've never understood why so many people self-host on pis. If it's at home and not on a sailboat or drone, don't worry about the power consumption. Worry about having enough power for a smooth operation.

Like imagine your jellyfin skips during videos. Now you have to chase down the bottleneck and when you do, probably can't upgrade the hardware anyway.

Plus if the project doesnt have an ARM binary or container, you have to create a compilation workflow.

Hospitals and schools upgrade their hardware every five years or so (when windows starts to slow down). The x86 workstations go up for auction for cheap. I buy them direct at govdeals.com (usa) where they usually sell in lots. If you just need one, look on ebay where the units are typically resold. Either way you can find something decent for $50-$100.

So buy an x86. It will live forever and you can use your pi in a weather station or drone or similar project where size and power consumption matter.

In my own setup, I have jellyfin on one $50 workstation and homeassistant/frigate on another. I would not have space (resources) for both on one machine because frigate is doing object detection on six cameras (even with a hardware detector). So the homeassistant computer has that NPU and zigbee dongle and a big hard drive for the recordings. In the Jellyfin machine, I put a 12tb hdd for the media and graphics card that is really good at transcoding (I travel a lot and stream videos from home).

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[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] B0rax@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I am more of a Lenovo guy, but they are more or less the same anyway.

Here is a great list of these tiny PCs: https://github.com/a-little-wifi/TinySecrets

[–] lka1988@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Buy a 7th gen Intel based tiny/mini/micro PC instead of a Pi or NUC. You get much more bang for your buck. 35W max draw. They are far more capable than people give them credit for. I run 3 of them (4 if you count the Mac mini).

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[–] mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

While I get leaning towards AMD products, I've been doing so as well, when I built my first server with a Ryzen 5 2400GE I have found that there just isn't as much resources/support for enabling transcoding with the vega 11 in Jellyfin or Immich. Most Intel iGPU's have a hardware chip specifically tuned for transcoding called quicksync that you should strongly consider.

Especially in the $100-200 price range tiny mini micro's from HP/Lenovo/Dell are widely available and offer lots of capability in a power-efficient (~10-15w idle, 40-50w full load) and easily maintainable form factor. The Lenovo's in particular are interesting due to a few models having full pci-e slots if you decide later you want a GPU.
Lenovo pci-e

Finally for software I would suggest looking into Cosmos Cloud, I use it and have found it made it so much easier to setup and manage all my docker containers and domain name/reverse proxy settings.

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, I think I'm willing to go Intel if there's that much a performance gap. I'll look into the Lenovo option, although I'm not sure I'm the best use case for it. Still, thank you for the suggestions! Any particular models, or is it really down to newer = better? Besides the basic moar RAM, moar CPU, but actually I'm quite ootl with the naming conventions with non-desktops procs.

[–] mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

In terms of the tinyminimicro's I think i5-6500T 7500T or 8500T (T signifies 35w TDP) could all fit your price point depending on RAM/SSD specs. I haven't done much research on the n100 processors but I think they are broadly comparable to the above i5's

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 month ago

For me Quicksync converts videos anywhere from 4x to 10x faster than using the GPU.

[–] brandon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I’ve had good experience with the Minisforum MS-01, while it’s more than your $200 mentioned, it’s been worth every penny. Plenty of power for most homelabs and lots of nice features for future proofing (10gb, Ethernet, plenty of storage options, small but still usable pcie expansion slot) in a small form factor.

I’ve pretty much retired all my RPis at this point and my old Synology NAS is now just storage only with the MS-01 doing all the actual work.

Really don’t have a reason to migrate away from it for many years unless it died. Even then, you can create a promox cluster with them trivially to provide some redundancy.

They also have the a1 and a2 options for AMD but the a1 doesn’t have the same feature set and a2 is pretty expensive if you don’t need the extra power.

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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe you enjoy the "getting it to work" part more than me. I went from RPi to a cheap used miniPC from eBay. Installed Debian and bought a wireless keyboard with touchpad. Cheap and so much simpler. Plays all my flac music through Strawberry, plays all my movies at home and away. Easiest VPN setup, I don't use smart functions of my TV, just the miniPC for everything.

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh don't get me wrong, I get burnout myself if I'm hovering on a hobby for too long, but tinkering is in my blood. I'm sure I'll have moments where I'm just thinking, "Fuck it, Imma play some gaems instead.", but that itch is bound to come back.

I am curious what VPN you use tho. Been shopping around, and the unfortunate news that the big services are owned by a particular company kinda stalled my research.

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

We appear to have a similar affliction. I'm let down terribly by a lack of expertise, and so take a best alternative in most cases. My VPN is Mullvad. I'm due renewal in the next 2 months so will be pondering simple renewal vs switching to ProtonVPN. The purity of Mullvad privacy is wasted on me as the only real difference appears to be the option to pay by bitcoin or cash. Proton appears to have more options and less likely to be blocked if you go away on holiday etc.

[–] s3rvant@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm in a similar situation currently hosting Pihole on my Pi's and Jellyfin on a SFF refurbished PC that's running some other project. I've decided to go with a NUC, most likely beelink, and intend to install Proxmox to then run container VMs for each of the various projects to more easily manage them.

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I think this is kinda where I'm heading with how the comments are helping guide me. I started this journey nearly 10 years ago with my first house and it was a measly HP SFF junker I had pulled from... somewhere (I honestly don't recall how it materialized :P ), and had TrueNAS on it with a dinky 2x1TB non-RAID setup. I'd still like to keep my current 2x8TB Synology RAID1 as a separate entity until I deem the need for more local storage, so if I can fit all the brains into one unit for everything I'm hoping to use, so the Beelink/Minisforum/GMKTek route is my current path. Might I ask which model NUC you have?

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[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Pi 4 should be plenty to run Jellyfin, homeassistant, pihole and octoprint. Docker setup is pretty straightforward, and I can vouch that HA & pihole containers work great on RPi, if you want to leave the Jellyfin setup as-is and put the others alongside.

If you're looking for an excuse to expand, my vote is for an N100 type system. I got one with 4 ethernet ports, PCIe for a wifi card, couple of NVME slots, and a half dozen SATA ports for $100-150. That's a huge step up in potential without much increase in power draw. With the right wifi card, you can even use it to replace your WAP/router.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

HAOS has add-ons to run a sort of managed version I think of pihole. Good start for containers.

RAID0 is not RAID, because R stands for redundant and RAID0 has dependency on as many drives are in the machine. You need to change that. One drive fails you lose everything.

The question is pertinent to my interests and the answer is to spend some time learning about the benefits and disadvantages of chipsets and processors unfortunately.

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Ah crap, I was wrong on that. I have it in RAID1. My bad, I've corrected my OG post.

[–] notagoblin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I use RPi 4 2Gb for Pi-Hole.

Just retired a broken 8th gen intel i3 laptop used for Jellyfin. Its replacement is a GMKTec G3 N100. 4 core 4 thread, single channel SDRAM, but 12th gen Intel which is capable of a wider range of encoding & transcoding. Came with 8Gb ram and 256GB Nvme. Cost Less than £100 on ebay. Jellyfin installed ontop of Debian & very pleased with it.

Currently running Truenas scale with smb shares to service local network.

Additionally VPN on router provides access to home network.

I have a few redundant Rpi's sitting about now as I've consolidated and will be using more NUC/ MiniPC hardware in future. They're just better value at the moment for me.

Not looked at HA seriously yet, but its part of the plan

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[–] party_planet@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I have a NUC with an intel N6005 in it for around that price, very happy with it.

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[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I'm using a 2019 Dell SFF OptiPlex.

With the current 8TB data drive, it idles at 18w, but being Intel can convert or transcode very quickly.

With the previous 2TB drive it idled at 12w, little more than a Pi but far more capable.

I run my PiHole on it plus Jellyfin, HandBrake, etc. It also has 4 VMs using VMware for some other stuff as needed (testing mostly).

Hard to beat the bang for buck, or per watt.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How do you have it setup though? I got a hp elitedesk 800 micro and wondering what way to set it up

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Can you be more specific?

I first ran Proxmox on it (which ran fine, just overkill for my use-case).

Now it's Windows server and anything I do on it is done in a VM via VMware Workstation (since it's free). So the host os doesn't see much change and any changes that break things can be rolled back via a VM snapshot. Proxmox ZFS would be better for this, but I don't need it, yet.

You could run any Linux distro on it then use KVM for virtual machines and also docker for things like PiHole and Jellyfin.

There's a million ways to skin a cat, though I like using VM's so if I need to move a service I just copy the VM to a new box. Even my docker stuff is in a VM for just this reason.

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[–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Used to run on a pi 4 but moved to a 11th Gen NUC and wouldn't go back. Well, the pi was nice when I didn't have any money but the performance boost of just an i3 is hard to beat. With headless debian 13, the nuc now draws 5w idle. Seriously low consumption, costs like 10eur in electric energy per year. Pi 4 still found a home for homeassistant +zigbee stack.

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[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I started with a 2 bay Synology NAS (still have this as storage only and no computing) and added a 12the gen i5 mini PC I got on eBay for £230. That's worked out great and I would highly recommend it. If you're on a budget then look for some older hardware.

Docker is also not that difficult to get started with and worth messing around with to learn. I started on with Docker on my Synology and out grew that quickly and have been really happy with my mini PC.

[–] linkinkampf19@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So I couldn't use Docker on my Synology as it wasn't compatible, but I did try to try to use Docker, but it was most definitely a test install trying to squeeze Jellyfin and HA onto an 8GB card... yeah that didn't work (I didn't try too hard). I've heard of Docker Desktop, but sounds like it was not well received.

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