turdas

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[–] turdas@suppo.fi 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

People like Thoreau and Emerson aren't fringe; they are extremely influential in American political philosophy, to the point where there's a long-ass Wikipedia page about them.

Now there's a lot that could be said about them and I don't want to start writing essays here, so to cut to the chase I will just write down a couple of bullet points.

  • As we can both see, that page considers itself "part of a series on socialism", which I believe is because these thinkers courted socialist ideas at their time, seeking to come up with an alternative more along the lines of their personal very American individualist philosophy. I think it should not be contentious to say that time has proven that individualism and socialism are not compatible ideologies.

  • I think time has also proven that this brand of anarchism did not survive contact with industrialization -- this is what I meant by it giving birth to libertarianism, because the same (very American) principles of individualism underpin both.

  • Nonetheless, this philosophy is a school of anarchist thought. They themselves called it that, other people at the time called it that, and scholars that came after call it that. Ergo, anarchism is a far broader category that contains more than just the clearly leftist schools of anarchist thought like anarchist communism, and therefore using just the word "anarchism" to refer to contemporary leftist anarchism is incorrect and going to confuse people.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you Mr ChatGPT

[–] turdas@suppo.fi -3 points 3 weeks ago

What? It's possible for both modern democracy and Athenian democracy to be democracy, because it is an umbrella term that covers many different implementations of rule by the people.

The exact same thing applies to anarchy. It is possible for both The Culture and Lord of the Flies to be anarchy, because anarchy is an umbrella term that covers many different situations of "no rulers".

[–] turdas@suppo.fi -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

the phase space of vague stuff like political ideology would have an arbitrary large number of parameters, not whatever 2 you see in memes.

Weird to hear this from the person who moments ago was arguing that there's no problem projecting this concept on an even smaller number of dimensions.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi -3 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here? But to go along with what I assume your analog is, if you're talking about height then you need to say you're talking about height regardless of what unit you're using. "Two metre box" means constrains only one dimension, much the same as the word anarchy by itself does.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi 55 points 3 weeks ago (25 children)

Half the problem with capitalism is that we aren't allowed to bash in the heads of the people who took all the resources.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi 11 points 3 weeks ago

Most if not all mammals will do that.

[–] turdas@suppo.fi 52 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Archive.is too good for this world

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