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Two things can be true.
they can, but they ain't.
Yes, the richest country by GDP, and the world's largest empire, can be crumbling while the world's largest socialist country can be dramatically improving and rapidly developing.
China is by no means a socialist country.
Maybe spend a bit of time learning what words mean before using them.
I know what words mean. China is a socialist market economy, which is not socialism.
imagine being so ignorant as to think that markets are at odds with socialism 🤣
Cope
The large firms and key industries are publicly owned, and the working class is in control of the state while capitalists are suppressed and prevented from expanding into those principal firms and industries. It's been socialist since the CPC successfully overthrew the nationalists.
I’m sorry, the working class is in control of the state? I’d love to hear something to back up such a strong statement.
The communists overthrew the nationalists, and since then public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Democracy was expanded and is comprehensively surveyed from the bottom-up, and capitalists are kept in check by the socialist state.
What exactly do you want to read about? That's a broad question, if you narrow it down a bit I might be able to give you a more focused answer.
What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point.
Public ownership doesn't mean receipt of dividends, like some kind of massive cooperative. It means owned across all of society. The state handles that in socialism, yes, China is socialist.
OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that.
The state is an extension of the ruling class, it isn't an independent entity. Ownership of the state is largely determined by which aspect is principle, private ownership, public ownership, etc. In China, public, collective ownership is principle, and the communists created a socialist state after overthrowing the nationalists.
I'm not seeing your point.
You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that.
China is a socialist market economy, not a socialist economy.
You can't have a stock market and be a socialist economy.
Socialist market economies are a type of socialist economy, particularly in the primary stage. Socialism isn't a unique mode of production determined by purity, but just like the others, by its principle aspect. What might help paint a better picture for you is looking at Cheng Enfu's diagram of the stages of socialism:
China presently is in the primary stage, but is at this point well along to the next stage, the intermediate. These aren't hard lines or jumps, but gradually worked through and towards.
Cope
And that socialist country can be developing and also bad.
A socialist country can be bad, but if this is what you consider bad the sign me up to live in a "bad" country.
90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes
Student debt in China is virtually non-existent. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jlim/2016/08/29/why-china-doesnt-have-a-student-debt-problem/
Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j
People in China enjoy high levels of social mobility https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html
The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9
Real wage (i.e. the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw8SvK0E5dI
The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf
From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China%E2%80%99s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4
From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&%3Blocations=CN&%3Bstart=2008
By the end of 2020, extreme poverty, defined as living on under a threshold of around $2 per day, had been eliminated in China. According to the World Bank, the Chinese government had spent $700 billion on poverty alleviation since 2014. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/31/world/asia/china-poverty-xi-jinping.html
Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience
And what are we doing not learning the good parts?
In theory yes, but in reality, no, not even close.
Get a job
Already has been. Two excerpts from Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth:
Selection two, shorter: (CW sexual violence and mutilation)
-Dr. Michael Parenti
@Cowbee @Semi_Hemi_Demigod
@tldrbot please help 😭
I’m not reading all that.
Then parse it through ai to see if it disproves your stance smooth brained idiot
Chickenshit response
Yep, instead you parrot right-wing talking points defending a brutal slave-driven feudal society run on torture. It's easy to tune-out anything that disproves your worldview, it's difficult to confront your own biases.
lol sure
Yes 👍
Tell me you have no idea of the history of Tibet without telling me
I'd love to hear one thing you think China is doing that is bad that the US is not also doing to a larger degree. Please enlighten me.
This happens every time. When you actually ask what the "bad" part is, they just deflect.
Both are bad.
Ah nothing of substance to add got it
.ml ain’t worth the effort.
You've got nothing and you know it
And you think internet arguments are real life. Now who’s the loser
You are. You are the loser.
You've given none to begin with.
Yeah cause I know this is .ml duh
Chickenshit response
Y’all are way too much fun to fuck with because you take Internet arguments seriously.
Yeah, you definitely sound like you're having lot's of fun, lol
Self-fulfilling prophecy.
Reminder its always a competition between who sucks the least. Another reminder that all the worlds most powerful nations are all spearheading censorships of one kind or another. The future doesnt look luxury or gay anymore. It looks redacted
What a stupid world