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Yes, the richest country by GDP, and the world's largest empire, can be crumbling while the world's largest socialist country can be dramatically improving and rapidly developing.
China is by no means a socialist country.
The large firms and key industries are publicly owned, and the working class is in control of the state while capitalists are suppressed and prevented from expanding into those principal firms and industries. It's been socialist since the CPC successfully overthrew the nationalists.
I’m sorry, the working class is in control of the state? I’d love to hear something to back up such a strong statement.
The communists overthrew the nationalists, and since then public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Democracy was expanded and is comprehensively surveyed from the bottom-up, and capitalists are kept in check by the socialist state.
What exactly do you want to read about? That's a broad question, if you narrow it down a bit I might be able to give you a more focused answer.
What does “public ownership” mean? They’re not paying dividends to every Chinese citizen, right? I assume you mean “the state”, in which case I’m not seeing your point.
Public ownership doesn't mean receipt of dividends, like some kind of massive cooperative. It means owned across all of society. The state handles that in socialism, yes, China is socialist.
OK but you said public ownership as a part of how “the working class” is in control of the state, and this sounds like not that.
The state is an extension of the ruling class, it isn't an independent entity. Ownership of the state is largely determined by which aspect is principle, private ownership, public ownership, etc. In China, public, collective ownership is principle, and the communists created a socialist state after overthrowing the nationalists.
I'm not seeing your point.
You said “the working class is in control of the state”, and I was looking for some argument to support that. I think Xi is in charge of the state, and I don’t think the working class gets much say in that.
Sure. The country that has a communist party large enough to be more populous than all but less than 20 countries is ruled by a single guy with no input from a single fucking other person.
Grow up.