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[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's been multiple times the dems have capitulated in negotiations before the negotiations have started.

If there was no gop we'd still get terrible bills from the right democrats

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

DNC haven't had more than 48 senators in ten years and haven't had supermajority since a 60 day period after 2010 only if you count independent caucus otherwise not since 1979. Right now they have 45.

The DNC haven't capitulated, they've wrung minor victories like blood from a fucking stone while not having the power to actually do anything aside from filibuster the worst of it all.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's amazing how the only period you ever reference is when with a short super majority only managed to implement Romneycare.

Biden was a moderate, Obama started leaning progressive but quickly ran to be a moderate, both Clinton's more on the right than moderate, etc.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

You think expanding healthcare to another 50 Million People, outlawing refusal of coverage based on pre-existing conditions, is right wing? AND THAT WAS WATERED DOWN VERSION WE NEEDED TO GET THE INDEPENDENTS ON BOARD. You've lost your damn mind.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

We've had this conversation before. They literally used Romneycare as the base for the ACA. The biggest reason ACA is hated is the parts pulled from it. Also why gop can't replace ACA because it's already their solution

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/23/451200436/mitt-romney-finally-takes-credit-for-obamacare

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Excuse me, I asked if you thought expanding healthcare to 50 million people, outlawing refusal of coverage based on pre-existing conditions, is right wing?

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

When they're still required to pay private insurance to be covered yes.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Well no wonder you've got everything so backwards, you think people getting healthcare is conservative.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes forcing people to pay corporations to get Healthcare is conservative.

The only good part of ACA was forcing coverage of pre existing conditions. Rest just gift to insurance companies

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world -1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao, expanding medicaid to 50 million people didn't force them to pay corporations. Medicaid is payed for with taxes. This year the Trump Admin froze $425 Billion Dollars of aid including Medicaid as well as Food Stamps, Farmers subsidies, Natural Disaster Relief, Mental Health services, and Research including critical medical research.

I think the government paying for people's healthcare is progressive and I think we should get the dems a supermajority without relying on any Independents like Joe Lieberman so we can see it improved upon.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yes when you ignore the mandate forcing everyone to get insurance it looks better. Especially when ignoring the states that didn't go for the medicaid expansion simply to spite people.

Still the non moderate position in the rest of the world is universal Healthcare of makes sense why our center right parties refuse to actually go for it.

I think the government paying for people's healthcare is progressive and I think we should get the dems a supermajority without relying on any Independents like Joe Lieberman so we can see it improved upon.

No this is why we need a progressive or leftist party in charge not dems or gop

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

If you don't want to pay the fine for not having insurance simply check the box saying "insurance was not affordable" on your taxes. It was literally that easy, there was no enforcement at all.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Love that's the only part you seemed to read there

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 1 points 1 hour ago

You don't exactly have a lot of credibility when you start your rant with a lie.