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Have you seen The Boys? There's an actual fan club of Homelander. The series creators are trying to cut it down because it's the exact opposite of the message they try to bring. Vilans are people's new heroes now. Like Trump and Musk for example.
The Boys is great because it explores how horrific a world like that would be, and how close that world is to ours.
Thankfully I've not seen people fawning over Home Lander. I see people say they exist, but I do wonder if that's drive-by people mistaking fandom of the show for fandom of Homelander.
The guy is a forever child whose insecurity makes him a monster. You're shown how all his "romantic" relationships are about him being mothered. He literally keeps breast milk in his fridge. He's an infant given god like powers. There is nothing inspirational about him.
He's a great villain though.
I love his character, the actor really does a great job. But he's super evil. He's a great representation to the real world, as many people think there's no collateral damage too great to justify reaching their goal. Dehumanizing others, committing war crimes, hunger for power, forcing their beliefs onto others. I despise people like that.
But there are people who think otherwise: See this
I guess I wasn't trying to say there's absolutely no-one that idolises homelander. Some people watch Star Wars and want Darth Vader to win. There's not many of them, and social media tends to amplify the "edge lord" opinions.
Just that I thought sometimes pearl-clutchers can see people enjoying something that contains horrific aspects and interpret it as meaning those people support horrific things.
I think there's a pretty big difference between someone rooting for the dark space wizard against the light space wizards in a story set in outer space, vs taking the side of a psychopathic superman in a show that's literally about calling out fascist chuds and male power fantasies, in a world that is meant to directly mirror our own.
Scifi and fantasy also try to mirror the real world. In star wars, the whole story about the empire and the rebellion is basically the story of any great Empire in history. It becomes too big, crooked people take over, it becomes corrupt, it becomes too restricted, too evil to keep power, rebels will fight against oppression and the empire will fall. With a new government filling the vacume, and the whole story starts over again. Heroes become villains. Good guys become bad. They all have their reasons, they all have twisted justifications for their actions. Whatever filter is used, it's mirroring society. Whether it's space scifi, fantasy or super heroes.
I'm well aware of the obvious parallels to the real world in Star Wars. The Boys is an accurate reflection of our real world, and how "supers" would behave in an unregulated, ultra-capitalist society.
You can like Darth Vader for looking badass and having a red light saber, without being a fascist. You can't really say the same for people who actually like Homelander and think he's a good guy.
I like Homelander because he's so fucked up, so sick and twisted, such a well written roll and perfectly performed. But I like dystopian worlds, as entertainment. I like Gaspar Noé movies. But I can't say Homelander is a good guy, no. Just pure evil.
But it's the same with Darth Vader. Who would think he's a good guy? You can like him for being cool and evil, but saying he's the good guy is the same as saying Homelander is a good guy, isn't it?
Is he doing a great job? I thought he was just portraying himself.
Nah for real, if he's not a psychopath in real life, he must be a tremendous actor.
Anthony Starr is knocking it out of the park. Amazing performance.
People are stupid
Fascists aren't people in most of the ways that matter.
They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.
By dehumanizing them you're no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don't lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.
No, people who sherk their humanity, willingly and emphatically, do NOT deserve to be humanized. Yes, we need to remember they are humans, but they are terrible people who choose to be terrible. Only a fucking moron or a fellow terrible person thinks they deserve to be treated better than they treat others.
Whether they deserve it or not, I won't dehumanize them; because I don't want to become someone who dehumanizes others.
I will certainly fight them, I will resist them, but I will not consider them anything but human.
Being a human is very, very different than having humanity. People need to realize these are humans ... who willingly betray their humanity.
They are literally and directly enemies of humanity, who need to be treated as such.
Right - fight them! Resist them! But do not let them push you into being inhuman yourself.
If even namecalling is too much for you, then you do not, in fact, understand how to defeat horrible people, let alone fascists destroying humanity.
I'm not talking about name-calling. Go hog wild with that, it seems fairly effective.
I'm talking about dehumanizing them. Deciding that any means that will end them is justified. Treating them like feral animals. Harvesting their organs for profit, like outhouseperilous suggested further up. That's what I'm pushing back on.
That's the excuse for Hamas to commit terrorist acts on Israel. It's also the excuse for Israel to commit the worst war crimes of this century by far. Lowering yourself to the level of the enemy makes you just as bad. Be better.
I think very little of them, I'm disgusted by them, I hate them with everything I've got, but I will not dehumanize them or justify crimes against humanity against them. No matter whether they would do that to me. They deserve consequences for their behavior. They need to be sentenced for their crimes. Legally, democratically, within the law. If we don't, how are we any different? They think they are better humans than others, you know, like the nazis. Untermenschen. If you're not a nazi, fascist or racist, you won't dehumanize others.
No matter who it is, people need to realize who are defending themselves and who are going out of their way to commit offenses. When it comes to politics, people conveniently forget bad people DO exist, on all sides.
It DOES NOT MATTER what is currently going on in the world. It DOES NOT MATTER if they claim to be humans. It DOES NOT MATTER if you want to continue calling them humans.
What you need to learn is... these are humans who willingly betray the humanity you claim to want to defend... yet you continue to defend them, all in the name of some childish idea of "justice".
I agree things should be done legally where possible. What you need to learn is the law is not good! It doesn't create justice. It doesn't create peace. They're just rules people are supposed to follow, good or bad.
What DOES matter, is people like you constantly running interference for literally and directly evil people. Stop equating people defending themselves with people who want to commit the offenses. There is a HUGE difference between someone doing something bad to defend their own freedom, and someone who wants to go out of their way to remove someone else's freedom.
You can treat them as humanely as you want. What you NEED to learn is... they are enemies of the humanity you want to protect! Literally, directly, enemies of humanity. Why do you insist on equating them with people on defense?
This is a topic about literal nazis, remember. Why do you equate people calling Nazis sub-human with nazis, when nazis are the ones who DIRECTLY AND WILLINGLY betray humanity? Why are you failing to defend humanity?
Keep pleading for their respect when they have a gun to the back of your head. I'm sure that will work.
The thing is, I'm not pleading for their respect. I won't get it. I just won't lower myself to their level so I will not grant them the argument "see, they are doing the same".
Reflexive simplistic judgement without willingness to pull apart or confront uncomfortable ideas that may threaten orthodoxy; most antifascist thought.
If you do not understand the principles of defending the humanity you love from the people who want to destroy it, then you are WORSE THAN USELESS. These people are actively destroying society and the very "humanity" you want to preserve... yet you still won't attack them??
You are nothing but a useful idiot to fascists with that kind of pacifist attitude... Literally. You are talking down others from action against the things you want to defend from... You're actively a turncoat against the humanity you want to defend. Seriously, pathetic.
Who said I won't attack them? Of course I would, and have. But within the law, without dehumanizing them.
You call me pathetic, although I'm actively fighting against the far right, oppression and crimes against humanity.
You, on the other hand, show you are just as bad as they are.
lol
their death camps will be perfectly legal
They're not, but is that an excuse to be lawless too? If the enemy commits war crimes, how are you any better if you do the same?
You shouldn't need an excuse to be lawless; laws are usually bad, and never good in cases where something else wouldn't do the trick.
They're a tool for the powerful to save face and appropriate progressive efforts when on the defensive, to divide us and keep us complacent when they're on the offensive. They are the shield and sword of injustice. Not a fan.
Your conscience, fine. But laws? That is, at best; clown shit.
Thanks to laws I live in a wealthy country where I can walk safely on the street anywhere any time without being in danger. No one has guns, there's safe infrastructure, crime levels are low. But if you live in the US, a corrupt and failed state, or any other corrupt country, I get your sentiment.
Thats one word for 'colonialism'. Samesies btw! And there are streets where i cant use the sidewalk bevause of all the tents, so fuck it.
Because of the laws and their enforcers; i never feel safe. Maybe this is just a class position thing?
Fair, but it's not the guns that tend to scare me here.
Corrupt; you can explain what the fuck that means, that just seems like liberal standard english for 'i don't like'. Failed: nope, can tell by all the men with guns who would be cheered if they killed me, but i wouldn't share a glass of water with in case they choked and i was disappeared forever.
oh but history shows they were
we don’t have to guess how this plays out, educate yourself
‘better’ is for the strong and civilized, we are not strong in this mess and civil went out with Jan 6th
they’ve broken the social contract, they no longer deserve its protection
but it’s moot, this will go the same way it did in Germany
You might not live in a civilized country, I luckily still do.
if you’re not in the US I can’t claim to be informed enough
i do know Nazis are resurfacing everywhere though so more than likely you’re just fucking oblivious
I'm actively fighting them. Still in a legal way. If war breaks out, then I'll go to other less lawful ways.
read about nazi germany it will be too late
in the US they are playing boiling the frog and soon they’ll escalate all the way, it will happen fast and violent
i’m not advocating violence, I’m saying we’re going to regret not having done so
paradox of tolerance should be required study
Dude, my entire family was in the resistance. My great grandfather hid jews on his farm, was captured, tortured and died in a concentration camp. My family smuggled crashed British pilots back to England and liquidated traitors (family in my mother's side) and blew up train tracks and communication lines (family on my father's side). When my grandfather died, we found a huge walk-in closet filled with gas masks, emergency food, machine guns and ammo, a chest filled with hand grenades. In The Netherlands. I've had a lot of history lessons in school. Plain history, political history, economic history. I know a lot about nazis, how they come to power, how they work.
I see what's happening right now. The lack of democratic and media resistance right now leads to them gaining power, which will lead us having to escalate to more violent and unlawful measures. I don't want it to come like that, that's why I'm politically fighting the far right in my country (and fighting fake news) and even though they have taken too much power in my eyes, they can't just do whatever the fuck they want.
The US, however, is a failed state and the democrats were way to passive (and also too right wing themselves). So there's no hope. Violence may be the only option. But just don't dehumanize your enemy, don't treat others how you don't want to be treated yourself.
They dehumanize themselves. Like, aspirationally. On purpose.
... Said Hitler about the jews. Said Netanyahu about Palestinians. Said Trump about trans people.
If you think you are superior and consider them untermenschen, how are you any different from a fascist exactly?
When a fascist talks shit, it's talking about itself. Literally always.
Also, not sure trump has said that about trans people. Think he's saving it for the midterms. You're just saying crap.
Blue hair, for one. Very important difference. But stuff that will hit harder for stuffy old intellectual sorts, in case any read this:
I can explain what i mean when i use words and actually consider stuff intellectually, rather than relying on shallow understandings and gut emotional reactions that barely rise past the level of aesthetics and i valorize and absolutely never explore or apply nuance to. My conclusions flow from my observations rather than the other way around. I tend to revel in rather than abhor complexity. Hey...
Removing DEI, stripping trans service people of their rights and benefits, denying trans people their identity... Yeah, sure, I'm just talking crap.
There are fascist intellectuals too. Remember Oppenheimer for example? There were many nazi scientists in nazi Germany. Being a fascist doesn't automatically mean being dumb or ignorant. It means having a lack of compassion as they don't care about causing harm to others and they they believe there's a rank in people, in which they are better than others. Ubermensch and untermensch. They believe some people are more human than others and deserve more rights. Dehumanizing groups of people is usually done to justify crimes against humanity. Murder, torture (like forced medical experimentation like Mengele did), slavery, re-education, sterilization, extermination, etc.
No matter how evil, fucked up, imbicile, hateful or corrupt someone may be, they are still human and should be treated as such. Even if they don't treat others like that. Because classifying someone or a group as less human is fascism.
I am better than those bad people. I'm a better person. I'm not more human than them.
Look at the world's history, or what's happening right now. Humans are fucking evil and fucked up. Some are good, some are bad, but we're all still human.
then don’t act fucking surprised
not reading the rest of that wall, you should know better