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[–] djmikeale@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm curious, what does the Bible say on "how to abort"?

[–] lime@feddit.nu 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

this is the one that's usually quoted and i'm not sure it's actually what people say it is:

numbers 5, verses 11-31, english international standard version (aka the readable version, fuck you KJV):

The Test for Marital Unfaithfulness

^11^ Then the Lord told Moses, ^12^ “Instruct the Israelis what to do if a man’s wife turns astray so that she unfaithfully acts against him, ^13^ a man has sexual relations with her and she conceals it from her husband, keeping it secret although she has defiled herself with there being no witnesses against her, but she was caught anyway. ^14^ If an attitude of jealousy overcomes him so that he becomes jealous at his wife when she is defiled, or if an attitude of jealousy overcomes him and he becomes jealous of his wife even though she isn’t defiled, ^15^ then that man is to bring his wife to the priest along with an offering for her consisting of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour. He is not to pour oil or set frankincense over it, because it’s to be a jealousy offering, a memorial offering that will serve as a reminder of iniquity. ^16^ Then the priest is to bring it and make her stand in the Lord’s presence. ^17^ The priest is to put some holy water into an earthen vessel, take some dust from the floor of the tent, and put it into the water. ^18^ The priest is to have the woman stand in the Lord’s presence, uncover her head, and put the grain offering as a memorial, a reminder of jealousy, into her hands. The priest is also to have in his hand the contaminated water that carries a curse.

^19^ “The priest is to administer this oath to the woman: ‘If indeed another man didn’t have sexual relations with you and you didn’t become unfaithful to your husband, then may you be free from these waters that bring a curse. ^20^ But if you have become unfaithful to your husband and have become defiled because a man who isn’t your husband has had sexual relations with you…’ ^21^ then the priest is to have the woman commit to an oath by saying to the woman, ‘May the Lord make you a curse and a curse among your people. When the Lord makes your thigh waste away and your abdomen swell ^22^ and this water that brings a curse enters your abdomen, making it swell and your thigh waste away.’

“Then the woman is to say ‘Amen.’

^23^ “Then the priest is to write all of these words in a document and wipe it off with the contaminated water. ^24^ The woman is to drink the bitter water that brings a curse and the water that brings a curse is to be considered contaminated. ^25^ The priest is to take the offering of jealousy from the woman’s hand, wave the offering in the Lord’s presence, and have her approach the altar. ^26^ The priest is to take a handful of grain from the memorial and offer a sacrifice on the altar, after which he is to have the woman drink the water. ^27^ When he has had her drink the water, if she was defiled and had acted unfaithfully toward her husband, then the contaminated water that brings a curse will enter her and infect her, causing her abdomen to swell and her thigh to waste away. Then she is to be a cursed woman among her people. ^28^ But if the woman isn’t defiled, then she is to be freed and will be able to bear children. ^29^ This is the law in cases of jealousy when a woman defiles herself while under her husband’s authority: ^30^ When a man becomes under the control of an attitude of jealousy regarding his wife, he is to present her to the Lord, and the priest is to apply this entire statute to her. ^31^ The husband will be free from guilt, but the wife is to bear the punishment of her iniquity.”

tl;dr: "if you think your wife is fucking around, you can have her drink dirt water. if she's a slut, her pussy will fall off"

Edit: To be a bit less literal, this passage is most likely not about "sexual relations" but when a woman is pregnant by another man. "water that brings a curse" is probably a euphemism for some kind of poison that kills the baby and makes the woman sterile. the described symptoms match that. the "if she's innocent she'll be fine" thing is probably added later, to make it more magical. maybe the actual description of how to make the concoction was removed at the same time.

[–] djmikeale@feddit.dk 1 points 1 day ago

Interesting, thank you for sharing!

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Fun fact: Numbers is also part of the Torah! Christians don't have a monopoly on this crazy. Good old Abrahamic religions.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

i'd even go as far as to say that the point of the sacrifice of jesus was to tear up the old testament, so christians have no reason to follow all this old crap.

[–] trublu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He specifically said he wasn't going to tear it up, right? That he came not to change one "jot or tittle" of the old law, but to "fulfill" it, whatever that means. Never made any sense to me.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 3 points 1 day ago

it changes so much depending on which book you read too, the apostles had very different opinions

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And yet Jesus himself said to follow the law of Moses until heaven and earth pass away 🤷

[–] lime@feddit.nu 2 points 1 day ago

in some books... depending on how for away from his death you read he seems to have some very different opinions